IAB Meeting -- November 20, 2001, 15h00-17h00 US-ET
ATTENDING
John Klensin -- IAB Chair
Harald Alvestrand -- IETF/IESG Chair
Ran Atkinson
Rob Austein
Fred Baker
Steve Bellovin -- Liaison to the IESG
Brian Carpenter
Leslie Daigle
Steve Deering
Sally Floyd
Erik Huizer -- IRTF Chair, liaison from the IRTF
Geoff Huston
Erik Nordmark -- Liaison from the IESG
Vern Paxson -- Incoming IRTF Chair, liaison from the IRTF
Joyce K. Reynolds -- Liaison from the RFC Editor
Henning Schulzrinne
Lynn St.Amour -- Liaison from ISOC
REGRETS:
NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING:
Meeting at 52nd IETF, Salt Lake City, Utah, Tuesday December 11, 2001.
AGENDA
- Acceptance of minutes of past meetings
- October 9, 2001 (as circulated November 11, 2001)
- Review of Action Items (below)
- Review of current IAB documents (below)
- Liaison updates
- ICANN meeting update
- NomCom2000 (mid-term vacancy) update
- December IETF planning
- meeting schedule & content
- IAB plenary agenda
NOTES
1. Acceptance of minutes of past meetings
- October 9, 2001 (as circulated November 11, 2001)
Accepted.
2. Review of Action Items
3. Review of current IAB documents
4. Liaison updates
IESG:
The OPES document has been approved as informational. Steve
Deering asks if there has been any further discussion about
the similarities/differences/progress on the "shipworm" vs.
"proposed micdom extension" question? No -- it would be useful
for the IAB to clarify its position to the IESG. Routing
area has issues -- Rob Coltun had announced his resignation
in early October; there is a lack of clarity about the effective
date on that resignation. At any rate, the new Routing AD
chosen by the NomCom chaired by Bernard Aboba (per rules of
filling midterm vacancies) will have a co-AD assigned from
within the IESG to help with the load and any procedural
learning issues.
IRTF:
Vern Paxson provided an update on the planned discussion of "DNS measurement"
in Salt Lake City -- will have a 2 hour BoF session on Wednesday (agenda
still undergoing changes) to go through recent studies as presentations.
Will determine if there is a research group to be formed. No expectation
of forming an IETF working group.
IRTF presentation at the IESG plenary on the Wednesday evening in Salt
Lake City: GSEC (group security) will give presentation.
IDMR research group will meet in SLC; it shows up on the IETF agenda.
This has given it some greater visibility. Vern sees this as helpful for
facilitating tech transfer. There has been some recent IESG/IAB discussion
about one of the papers that has come out of that research group (concerns
about its apparent lack relationship to IETF work in the same area); still
not clear if that is meant as a product of the research group, or individual
submission of the document authors (draft-irtf-idrm-handle-system-03.txt,
proposed for informational RFC).
ISOC:
Board meeting is first weekend of IETF meeting. Have recently rolled out
a new-for-ISOC report -- Robert Ferrell's Internet Report. Take a look!
W3C:
Nothing to report.
ITU:
ENUM -- John Klensin and others had long conversations with Richard Hill
during the ICANN meetings. Progress made in coming to common agreement
on process for handling incoming registration requests.
PSO:
Pretty much status quo. There was some discussion about how to ensure
that the IETF's technical input can be offered to ICANN when or if the
PSO(-PC) position becomes an incoherent patchwork of the participant organizations'
thinking.
Other:
ICTSB -- Information & Communications Technology Standards Board.
Brian Carpenter attended a recent meeting in Geneva. This is primarily
a technical strategy arena for ETSI & related bodies. They have expressed
a desire to have a liaison from ISOC (Brian interprets this as IETF).
General pushback on draining more people-time and more formalization John
Klensin reminds us: we do not do liaisons, except to global standards
bodies (and not all); for regional bodies such as this, we may consider
appointing a designated observer.
5. ICANN meeting update
ICANN meetings focused on a specific topic (in this case,
security) tend to be best.
Rob Austein asks whether ICANN is getting into protocol development because
of the terrorist activities. Steve Bellovin gave the keynote that strongly
discouraged that trend, and the report from the ICANN meetings is that
people effectively pointed back at that presentation through the week
to keep things on track.
6. NomCom2000 (midterm vacancy) update
The IESG has communicated to NomCom2000 that only one position will
be filled; a co-AD will be appointed from within the IESG.
Routing AD is always a difficult slot to fill. NomCom2000 has invested
somewhere between 1000 to 2000 people hours on this problem (last
Spring and now). Their 30 day window for deliberations is
coming to a close; expect to see a proposed candidate for
review within days.
7. December IETF planning
The IAB will meet on its own Tuesday morning and evening of IETF
week. The breakfast meeting will focus on administrative
details, with a view to keeping the dinner/evening session
focused on technical/architectural discussion.
Proposals for technical topics:
Leslie Daigle suggests: shipworm vs. midcom? only if there is tech
content, and not just Layer 9 posturing.
Rob Austein: DNS? at the level of: dynamic DNS, DNSSEC? draft-ietf-dnsext-dns-threats.
Steve Deering will act as Layer9-avoidance moderator. John Klensin suggests
we introduce the search-dns material (subject of BoF on Monday AM)
Leslie Daigle: CDI -- separating out short term vs. longterm
Apart from that, Harald Alvestrand & John Klensin concur that it will
be useful to spend some joint IESG/IAB breakfast time for discussion of
the IAB early-involvement (e.g., OPES); probably for Wednesday
For the IAB plenary agenda; we agree to present the OPES architectural
considerations document. Sally Floyd & Leslie Daigle will work on the
powerpoint presentation materials, and we will determine later who will
do the presentation (possibly Brian Carpenter). This presentation should
segue into the open architectural discussion.
OLD ACTION ITEMS
- Harald Alvestrand:
Arrange "International Internet" workshop/series of meetings.
[pre-May01]
Ongoing
Documents beginning to be published (draft-alvestrand-i18n-guide);
INTLOC bof scheduled for December IETF.
- Rob Austein and Brian Carpenter:
Review and potentially update RFC 1958.
[pre-May01]
Ongoing
Brian has sent some drafty text to Rob, who's reviewing it.
- John Klensin:
Have a chat with Tim Berners-Lee re. ongoing relationship/liaising
strategies between IETF/W3C.
- John Klensin, Geoff Huston:
Float proposal for revised protocol assignment framework.
- Ran Atkinson:
(Definitive) history of the IETF; sit down with Mike St. Johns and nail
down the names and players of the early years, in a format for public
posting.
[Jul01]
Ongoing
Ran has talked with various IETF oldtimers, who don't have the
time to put something together and suggest the material on the
http://www.isoc.org web page is accurate in so far as it goes.
All the data exists (to, for example, build up the slates of
IESG/IAB over the years) but there is a lack of urgency to spend the
energy to extract it. What we'd like from Steve Coya: NomCom output,
and pointers to the ISOC IETF page. Refine the action: Ran will ask
Steve Coya for NomCom output and to link the IETF page to the ISOC page
- John Klensin:
Talk to the IESG about IPR repository plan.
[Aug01]
Ongoing
John & Harald Alvestrand need to have a discussion with IESG &
Secretariat. John & Harald are declared the committee to deal
with this.
- Leslie Daigle:
Draft up IAB Considerations for CDI.
[Oct01]
Ongoing
Action slipped -- Leslie will contact Patrik re. state of IAB
thinking on CDI, review newly-published CDI drafts and come
back with a revised proposal.
IAB DRAFTS IN PROGRESS
- Ran Atkinson, Steve Bellovin:
Security considerations, including common security attacks.
[pre-May01]
Ongoing
SteveB has to get back to Eric Rescorla on this... the ball is in
Steve's court, but things are under control & looking good.
- Harald Alvestrand:
Directory definitions.
[pre-May01]
Done
Harald elected to have the IESG consider it as an individual
submission. (Though it was the -02 draft that the IESG announced
approval of, not -03, which is the current one in the archive).
- Steve Bellovin:
Applicability statement for security building blocks.
[pre-May01]
Ongoing
Steve Bellovin will ping Jeff Schiller & talk to him in Salt Lake
City before we declare this one dead.
- Geoff Huston:
Architectural Requirements for Inter-Domain Routing in the Internet
[pre-May01]
Ongoing
Passed IESG review. On RFC-Editor plate as of October 29, 2001.
- Brian Carpenter:
Middle boxes: taxonomy and issues
[pre-May01]
Ongoing
Updated draft submitted; document is on the IESG agenda for
November 29.
- Henning Schulzrinne:
Telephony Services PSTN interworking draft as
an IAB document.
[pre-May01]
Ongoing
Detailed comments circulated on the IAB list. Ongoing out-of-
band discussions.
- Leslie Daigle:
IETF PSO-PC Process
[May01]
Ongoing.
Finalized redraft circulated on IAB list. Was a POISSON
document, but that group has since been closed, so it will be an IAB
document now (with a new document name). This was too late
for the "new document" submission deadline, so it will only
be submitted after the Salt Lake City IETF. It is targetting BCP
status, so the IESG will last call it.
- Sally Floyd:
IAB Considerations for OPES
[Oct01]
Ongoing
Considerations were put together by Sally, published and revised
draft published. Erik Nordmark will carry the message to the
IESG: IAB would like this published as informational.
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