Minutes
IAB Teleconference
July 13, 2005
1.1 Agenda
- Rollcall, Agenda Bash and Previous Minutes
- Review of Action Items
- Review of Documents
- Liaison Reports
- IAB teleconference time(s)
- ISOC BoT appointment process document
- IAB workplan -- review and refinement
- IAB work tools -- review and refinement
- Poll for current thoughts on burning (tech) issues
- Tech Chats -- purpose, planning, topics
- Preparation for IETF63/IAB agenda planning
- IEEE 802 relationship paper
1.2 Attendance
Leslie Daigle -- IAB Chair
Bernard Aboba
Loa Andersson
Brian Carpenter -- IETF Chair
Rich Draves -- IAB Executive Director
Aaron Falk -- IRTF Chair
Bob Hinden
David Meyer
Pete Resnick
Joyce K. Reynolds -- Liaison from the RFC Editor
Jonathan Rosenberg
Bert Wijnen -- Liaison from the IESG
Absent
Patrik Fältström
Kurtis Lindqvist
Pekka Nikander
Eric Rescorla
Lynn St. Amour -- Liaison from ISOC
Lixia Zhang
1.3 Previous Minutes
Minutes from June are accepted.
(See Appendix A)
(See Appendix B)
The following Liaison Reports were submitted to the IAB.
ISOC
Lynn St. Amour
- ISOC's annual Board of Trustee elections is now complete with
the following people being elected: (all are three-year terms).
IETF -
Fred Baker (returned to serve a 2nd term)
From ISOC Organization Members -
Daniel Karrenberg
Glenn Ricart (returned to serve a 2nd term)
From ISOC Chapters -
Veni Markovski (returned to serve a 2nd term)
- ISOC's next Board meeting is scheduled immediately following
the IETF and is open. The full agenda will be published on our
home page and key sections are highlighted below. It will be held
at the:
Le Meridien Etoile
81 Boulevard Gouvion Saint-Cyr
Paris
From:
Friday - 13:00 - 18:00
Saturday - 8:00 - 12:30
Note Friday: 15:30 - 16:30 IETF Updates
- IETF Update = B. Carpenter
- IAB Update - L. Daigle
- IASA Update and Review - R. Pelletier
RFC Editor
Joyce Reynolds
- Ray Pelletier visited the RFC Editor staff at ISI July 6-7, 2005.
- The RFC Editor worked with Bill Fenner on XML --> RFC
issues in response to community questions and critiques.
IRTF
Aaron Falk
Reminder: RG updates will happen after IETF
Accomplishments:
- Attended workshop on behalf of IAB "Steps for Reducing Unwanted
Traffic on the Internet" (SRUTI) sponsored by USENIX. Report
forthcoming. Short version: mostly point fixes ignoring attacker
next steps (i.e., evading the fixes); the exceptions were
interesting although even the most interesting talks only made
attacks harder, rather than preclude them. Standout talk:
discussion of the risk of VoIP spam -- imagine unsolicited phone
calls arriving with the frequency and anonymity of spam email.
In progress:
- FYI: P2PRG, DTNRG, HIPRG, MOBOPTS all plan to meet during the
Paris IETF.
NMRG is meeting in Nancy, France on 7/30-31
- Internet Congestion Control Research Group (ICCRG): Held a call
with Mark Handley to address charter comments from a Transport AD
(Allison).
Identified a good candidate co-chair to lead the group with Mark
Handley. Travel has prevented approaching him yet, but expect
that to happen within the next 2 weeks. Planning to have Mark give
a high level talk on ICCRG goals/objectives at Paris IETF plenary,
more detailed talk at TSVWG meeting, first RG meeting at
SIGCOMM. I just realized that the IAB has not yet seen the
charter. I just requested the most recent rev from Mark and will
forward ASAP.
- Transport Models Research Group (TMRG): Sally Floyd has
circulated a draft charter by the E2E-interest list and is
collecting feedback from the Transport ADs. After that, it will go
to the IAB list. Plan to have this RG in place before the Paris
IETF.
- Article for CCR on how the research community should support
IRTF activities to have impact on the Internet. (still very rough)
Plan to submit for Fall issue.
- IRTF web redesign: in Henrik's hands, promised in time for Paris.
Plans:
- IRTF Code of Conduct/Note Well/IPR policy
IESG
Bert Wijnen
The most important thing to mention is probably that the IESG received
an appeal on the approval of draft-ietf-lemonade-mms-mapping-04.txt as
a Proposed Standard.
The IESG is close to sending a response on that but needs a little bit
more time.
GGF
Brian Carpenter
(See
http://www.iab.org/liaisons/ggf/2005-07-ggf.html)
IEEE 802
Bernard Aboba
(See http://www.iab.org/liaisons/ieee/2005-07-ieee802-liaison-report.html)
The IAB discussed moving its standing teleconference time to better
accommodate participants from the US-PT time zone. The IAB
tentatively decided to move one hour later, so business calls will be
the 2nd Wednesday of every month at 8am US-PT and technical chats will
be the 4th Wednesday of every month at 8am US-PT. Rich will confirm
this with the mailing list.
The IAB decided to conduct its next business meeting in Paris at IETF
instead of August 10.
The IAB discussed some issues with the ISOC BoT appointment process.
Should the IAB appoint or should the NomCom do it? The traditional
NomCom role has already changed - now it selects two IAOC members.
When, if ever, is it appropriate to have people serve in multiple
roles? For example, on both the IAB and ISOC BoT. The current NomCom
chair has also requested guidance wrt ISOC/IETF conflicts of interest
in its selections.
The IAB decided that a list of issues should be circulated to
IAB/IESG/IAOC. Leslie volunteered to take this action item. If the
document requires updating, it will be standard process for it to go
to the IETF for discussion, minimally in a Last Call for the BCP;
discussion in plenary may be needed.
The IAB discussed three topics as potential focuses this coming year:
IPv6, Internet Architecture, and Unwanted Network Traffic. The IAB
reviewed its current activities to see how they might fit these
topics. The IAB agreed to continue to refine this.
The IAB discussed its processes and tools for tackling issues. The
IAB agreed that assessing the impact or gauging the outcome of its
work is important. One possibility is to have a long-range action (one
or three years) after a document is published, to have a short
discussion of the document's impact, focusing on what the IAB did
right/wrong with the document. Rich volunteered to take the action of
selecting several documents to give this a try in Paris, perhaps at
the joint IAB/IESG meeting on Sunday.
Loa brought up the effect on MPLS architecture caused by a series of
smaller changes. For example, proposals to change how labels are
allocated. Another thing is PWE3 developments - it is moving into
multi-hop pseudo-wires.
Dave brought up dissatisfaction with IPv6 in some quarters. These
people think that IPv6 will not solve the scalability issues with
internet routing. The IAB agreed that these scalability issues are
still research problems. The IAB agreed that more clear communication
regarding IPv6 is needed.
Jonathan brought up privacy. The IAB noted that Pekka is organizing a
BOF on privacy. Jonathan has wrestled with privacy issues at the
application layer, for example in SIP. The IAB agreed that it is
important to look at the complete privacy picture but it doesn't want
to derail the current privacy BOF.
The IAB reviewed the purpose of its tech chats, which is to present a
technical issue in sufficient detail that IAB members can understand
and discuss it intelligently. The tech chat may or may not result in
further action items for the IAB. The IAB agreed that it is hard to
change topics at the last minute. The IAB agreed that discussion
leaders should send out material (by Friday the week before) to give
participants time to prepare for the tech chat. The IAB discussed the
value of having a pool of potential tech chat topics, while avoiding a
rigid long-term schedule so it can respond quickly to current
events. Some possible future topics are multihoming and routing table
growth (led by Lixia) and mobility (led by Pekka). The IAB agreed to
discuss MPLS (led by Loa) for its July 24 tech chat.
The IAB discussed its schedule for IETF63 in Paris. The IAB will meet
jointly with the IESG over Sunday lunch, followed by an IAB-only
afternoon meeting. It will have breakfast meetings Monday through
Friday. The Monday, Wednesday, and Friday meetings will be joint with
the IESG. Brian said that he's invited the secretariat staff to drop
in one morning to be introduced.
The IAB discussed the possibility of an IRTF RG presentation to the
IAB. Aaron proposed mobobts. Aaron has the action of confirming this
with Leslie. The purpose of the presentation (typically given by the
RG chairs) is to provide an opportunity to hear and discuss what the
RG is doing and what they think are reasonable directions.
Bernard submitted a new version of the IEEE 802 relationship document:
draft-iab-ieee-802-rel-00.txt
The IAB discussed responsible AD's - Bert is responsible for MIB stuff,
other ADs would handle other aspects (like INT for EAP).
The IAB agreed that MIB transfer should be handled in a separate document.
The IAB agreed that IETF counsel should be involved in MIB transfer,
because there are intellectual property issues and we want the MIBs
to remain public. Another issue is how to handle MIB Doctor review
in the IEEE 802 voting process. Bernard listed the following open issues
in the relationship document:
- MIB transfer
- Earlier review of new work (in both directions)
- EAP and AAA usage in IEEE 802
- Mechanisms or processes to prevent the IEEE from changing IETF protocols
- IEEE 802 wants to know how it is expected to provide input to TRILL
The IAB also agreed that it needs to discuss the MPLS / MFA Alliance
liaison at some point.
Guidelines for IETF Liaisons
Loa Andersson
Initiated: June 2005
Goal: Describe IETF liaison relationship to other organizations.
Status: Loa has circulated draft text to the IAB.
Global Standards Conference
Leslie Daigle, Brian Carpenter
Initiated: May 2005
Goal: Should the IETF participate this year? If so, who?
Leslie will ask for the agenda because a week seems excessive.
Status: Done - we will not attend.
IESG Concerns Regarding RFC Processing
Brian Carpenter, Leslie Daigle
Initiated: May 2005
Goal: Resolve concerns regarding lack of visibility into RFC Editor
state, copy-editing, and excessive author changes in AUTH48. Gather
feedback from community.
Status: The "techspec" BOF is scheduled for Paris and a related draft
is in the queue.
IAB Web Site
Rich Draves
Initiated: April 2005
Goal: Review and update the public web site. Find a private web site.
Status: IAB RSS feed is working again.
No progress yet on private web hosting.
IDN Ad Hoc
Patrik Fältström, Pete Resnick
Initiated: March 2005
Goal: Create a mailing list and initiate discussion for IAB ad hoc
committee on Internationalized Domain Names.
Status: Wrote a summary of current status and circulated to the group
and the IAB.
ICANN TLG Liaison
Leslie Daigle
Initiated: March 2005
Goal: Inform ICANN that we are not renewing a liaison to the ICANN TLG
Status: Almost done, Leslie still trying to schedule an informal
chat with Vint Cerf.
IAB Messaging Workshop
Pete Resnick
Initiated: April 2004
Goal: Issue workshop report and create archive of workshop material.
Status: ?? We neglected to revisit during telechat.
IPv6 Policies
IPv6AD Hoc Advisory Committee
Initiated: May 2004
Goal: Passed a set of current IPv6 issues to the ad-hoc IAB advisory
committee on IPv6 addressing issues: ip6.int deprecation, hd-ratio
considerations, minimum IANA IPv6 allocation unit, IANA IPv6 registry
terminology and format
Status: Leslie needs to poke Thomas but will not have a chance
before the business meeting. Also see
draft-narten-iana-rir-ipv6-considerations-00.txt.
DNS Ops TLD Operation
Kurtis Lindqvist, Dave Meyer, Lixia Zhang
Initiated: September 2004
Goal: DNSOPS WG activity on TLD operational considerations. Offer of
editorial assistance in any WG document to be made to the WG.
Status: First draft circulated to usual DNS suspects for comments.
Will probably want to split into two documents to incorporate feedback.
IPv6 Multi-Address Considerations
Bob Hinden
Initiated: September 2004
Goal: Document considerations relating to address selection
procedures and potential side effects in a multi-address- ing
environment with scoped and global addresses
Status: No progress
Tech Chat Schedule
Leslie Daigle, Loa Andersson, Pekka Nikander
Initiated: November 2004
Goal: Create tech chat schedule, topic proposals due from Loa and Pekka
Status: see separate agenda item
Architectural Issues
Pekka Nikander
Initiated: April 2005
Goal: Revise/maintain the list of architectural issues on the IAB web
pages. These can also be discussed at the IAB retreat and guide
future tech chat topic selection.
Status: Dave Meyer is reviewing Pekka's list.
RFC Editor Copyright
Leslie Daigle, Brian Carpenter
Initiated: November 2004
Goal: Pass RFC Editor Copyright provisions to IETF legal counsel for
review with respect to permissions relating to protection of IETF
interests, integrity of the IETF Standards Track documents for
derivative works and relation to any third party interests in the
material published by the RFC Editor.
Status: RFC Editor has been given legal counsel's opinion
that their web site is still wrong. It's low on their priority list.
Rich will check RFC Editor web site after Paris.
Research Note document proposal
Aaron Falk
Initiated: November 2004
Goal: Convene a group consisting of Vern Paxson, Brian Carpenter,
Aaron Falk, and Leslie Daigle, assisted by Sally Floyd and Mark
Handley to document this proposal and highlight related
considerations for the IAB.
Status: No progress
ISOC BoT Selection
Rich Draves, Leslie Daigle
Initiated: November 2004
Goal: Before the next round, review the RFC 3677 process.
Status: We will discuss in Paris. Time to set this up now.
Proposed Congestion Control RG
Aaron Falk
Initiated: January 2005
Goal: Consult with ADs on the potential role for such a RG
Status: Successful Transport AD review, approaching potential co-chair,
planning plenary heads-up in Paris, see IRTF report for more.
A survey of Authentication Mechanisms
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-auth-mech-04.txt
Eric Rescorla
Initiated: April 2002
Status: No progress
Internationalized Resource Identifiers
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-char-rep-02.txt
Leslie Daigle
Initiated: November 2002
Status: No progress
Secure Autoconfiguration in IPv6
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-housley-aaa-key-mgmt-00.txt
Bernard Aboba
Initiated: March 2003
Status: -00 was submitted. -01 to follow.
Protocol Models
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4101.txt
Eric Rescorla
Initiated: May 2003
Status: Published
Internet Identities
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-identities-02.txt
Patrik Fältström, Leslie Daigle
Initiated: July 2003
Status: No progress
DOS Attacks
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-dos-02.txt
Eric Rescorla
Initiated: September 2003
Status: No progress
Untangling Activeware
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-nat-traversal-considerations-00.txt
Jonathan Rosenberg
Initiated: April 2004
Status: No progress; may or may not get to it before the deadline.
Top Level Domain Issues
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-dns-assumptions-02.txt
Jonathan Rosenberg
Initiated: May 2004
Status: Updated text based on comments from Pekka and brief email exchange
on utility values. Circulated to IAB list. Once OKd, will submit.
Design Choices When Expanding DNS
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-dns-choices-02.txt
Patrik Fältström
Initiated: June 2004
Status: No progress since IAB workshop.
Architectural Implications of Link Layer Indications
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-link-indications-02.txt
Bernard Aboba
Initiated: June 2004
Status: -02 was submitted. Have gotten comments from Pekka (thanks!).
Security issues with remote indications are substantial, so we need to
discuss how strong we want our guidance to be. For example, see:
http://www.ocipep.gc.ca/opsprods/advisories/2005/AV05-017_e.asp
IAOC Selection Procedure
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-iesg-iaoc-selection-01.txt
Bert Wijnen
Initiated: December 2004
Status: Finished IETF Last Call. Brian (as AD) received a number of comments.
Danny (nomcom chair) would like to see some guidance for its selection.
IRTF Review
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-irtf-01.txt
Leslie Daigle, Aaron Falk
Initiated: December 2004
Status: Dave will resend his comments to Aaron, then IETF Last Call
to make it an IAB informational document.
IEEE 802 / IETF Relationship
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-ieee-802-rel-00.txt
Loa Andersson, Bernard Aboba
Initiated: June 2005
Status: -00 draft posted. We have decided to create a separate document
for the transfer of MIB work from IETF to IEEE 802.
These minutes were prepared by Rich Draves. Any comments should be sent to
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