Minutes IAB Meeting at IETF63 August 2, 2005 1. Rollcall, Agenda Bash and Previous Minutes 1.1 Agenda 1. Rollcall, Agenda Bash and Previous Minutes 2. Review of Action Items 3. Review of Documents 4. Liaison Reports 5. IAB IPv6 ad hoc committee 6. IAB IDN ad hoc committee 7. IAB ISOC tech communications committee 8. ISOC BoT appointment process 1.2 Attendance PRESENT Leslie Daigle -- IAB Chair Loa Andersson Rich Draves -- IAB Executive Director Aaron Falk -- IRTF Chair Patrik Fältström Bob Hinden Kurtis Lindqvist David Meyer Pekka Nikander Eric Rescorla Pete Resnick Joyce K. Reynolds -- Liaison from the RFC Editor Lynn St. Amour -- Liaison from ISOC Lixia Zhang ABSENT Bernard Aboba Brian Carpenter -- IETF Chair Jonathan Rosenberg Bert Wijnen -- Liaison from the IESG 1.3 Previous Minutes Minutes from July were accepted. 2. Review of Action Items (See Appendix A) 3. Review of Documents (See Appendix B) 4. Liaison Reports The IAB briefly discussed the frequency of liaison reports. The IAB noted that its Executive Director polls the IETF liaisons monthly for reports. The IAB requested a report from the ITU NGN liaison. The following Liaison Reports were submitted to the IAB. ISOC Lynn St. Amour Working Group on Internet Governance (WGIG) - The WGIG report was released and can be found at http://www.wgig.org. ISOC participates in all formal (and many regional/topical) WSIS or WGIG events. We will be preparing a statement on the WGIG report for submission to the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS), and we have posted a survey on Internet Governance at: http://www.isoc.org/isoc/conferences/wsis/wgigsurvey.shtml You are encouraged to take the survey - we need as many informed people as possible to participate. RFC Editor Joyce Reynolds Nothing to report. IRTF Aaron Falk Accomplishments: - mobopts rg, p2prg, dtn rg, hip rg meeting at IETF - nmrg met in Nancy, France on 7/30-31 - IRTF website cleanup to be online by Thurs In Progress: - Mobility Optimizations RG review scheduled for Thursday breakfast - Transport Models Research Group slightly wedged, should be submitted to IAB this week - Internet Congestion Control Research Group wedged on getting co-chair lined up, hope to make progress this week, possibly needing to wait until SIGCOMM to have things really lined up - Received proposal for RG on authenticating source IP addresses, forwarded to IAB, IRSG - Collecting RG reports post-IETF, will forward to IAB, irtf-announce Plans: - Adapt IETF's Note Well/IPR policies to IRTF IESG Bert Wijnen Nothing to report, other than what the IAB has heard on Sunday and Monday morning. ITU NGN Scott Brim SG13 FGNGN is wrapping up, trying to fill in the details of architecture and requirements. It is probable that none of this has impact on the IETF. I will doublecheck, but since the last significant meeting is August 24th, followed by SG13 (which is much more likely to have impact), I will do so at those meetings. 5. IAB IPv6 ad hoc committee Leslie reported further discussions with Thomas Narten. Because Thomas now has other liaison duties, it is not clear that he is still the right person to chair the IPv6 ad hoc committee. Kurtis Lindqvist agreed to take over from Thomas. Leslie asked them to get together and revise the charter. 6. IAB IDN ad hoc committee Patrik reported that at a short meeting of the committee during IETF week, he and John Klensin tried to draft a list of issues. They agreed to two different threads: 1. Look more at how to extend LDH (Letters Digits Hyphen) with unicode code points. (This would be a stop-gap solution; more thought required to determine what would be involved and what problems it would solve.) 2. Patrik & John to continue to write overall document on IDNs. The IAB discussed the possibility of chartering a research group to look at the IDN problem. 7. IAB ISOC tech communications committee The IAB agreed to form a subcommittee to work with the ISOC on technical communications issues. The purpose of the group is to develop brief technical notes on hot topics, identify upcoming hot topics, and coordinate with the rest of ISOC/IAB/IETF for input. The group will be made aware of other ongoing ISOC publications, but it will not have a formal review role. The subcommittee will have several IAB members; Patrik, Dave, Pete, and Leslie are the initial volunteers. Lynn and other ISOC folks will participate. The subcommittee will have a mailing list, periodic telechats, write technical notes, and perform ad hoc review as necessary. 8. ISOC BoT appointment process The IAB reviewed three potential issues with the RFC 3677 ISOC BoT appointment process: 1. Given the evolving responsibilities of the NomCom, should the IAB or the NomCom appoint ISOC BoT members? 2. Have the desirable qualifications for the IETF appointee changed? 3. Given the evolving IETF/ISOC relationship, should the selection process say something about the desirability or conflict of having people serve in both IETF and ISOC leadership roles. The IAB discussion focused on the third issue. The IAB noted that simultaneous service in IETF and ISOC leadership roles can occur through multiple scenarios and if the community decides that it's undesirable, it would take more than an RFC 3677 revision to prevent it. Pete took the action of drafting a communication from the IAB to the community on this topic. APPENDIX A - IAB Action Items Scope of IETF Architecture Dave Meyer, Allison Mankin Initiated: August 2005 Goal: Create an effort to develop a statement of the scope of the IETF architecture. Status: The IESG requested that the IAB take this action. Guidelines for IETF Liaisons Loa Andersson Initiated: June 2005 Goal: Describe IETF liaison relationship to other organizations. Status: Loa has circulated a revised draft to the IAB. IESG Concerns Regarding RFC Processing Brian Carpenter, Leslie Daigle Initiated: May 2005 Goal: Resolve concerns regarding lack of visibility into RFC Editor state, copy-editing, and excessive author changes in AUTH48. Gather feedback from community. Status: We had to reschedule the BOF for Vancouver because the draft was not finished in time for Paris. IAB Web Site Rich Draves Initiated: April 2005 Goal: Review and update the public web site. Find a private web site. Status: Rich researched web hosting options and circulated information and options to the IAB. IDN Ad Hoc Patrik Faltstrom, Pete Resnick Initiated: March 2005 Goal: Create a mailing list and initiate discussion for IAB ad hoc committee on Internationalized Domain Names. Status: Face-2-face meeting at IETF 63. Outline of report created by Patrik and John Klensin. ICANN TLG Liaison Leslie Daigle Initiated: March 2005 Goal: Inform ICANN that we are not renewing a liaison to the ICANN TLG Status: Done IAB Messaging Workshop Pete Resnick Initiated: April 2004 Goal: Issue workshop report and create archive of workshop material. Status: draft-iab-messaging-report-00 finished but it missed the draft deadline. IPv6 Policies IPv6AD Hoc Advisory Committee Initiated: May 2004 Goal: Passed a set of current IPv6 issues to the ad-hoc IAB advisory committee on IPv6 addressing issues: ip6.int deprecation, hd-ratio considerations, minimum IANA IPv6 allocation unit, IANA IPv6 registry terminology and format Status: IAB should discuss in business meeting. DNS Ops TLD Operation Kurtis Lindqvist, Dave Meyer, Lixia Zhang Initiated: September 2004 Goal: DNSOPS WG activity on TLD operational considerations. Offer of editorial assistance in any WG document to be made to the WG. Status: Presented in DNS Ops, wide-spread support for first document, folks were more cautious about a 2nd document on registry operation. IAB will revisit in six months but this is now a WG action. IPv6 Multi-Address Considerations Bob Hinden Initiated: September 2004 Goal: Document considerations relating to address selection procedures and potential side effects in a multi-address- ing environment with scoped and global addresses Status: No progress, Bob is punting permanently. Tech Chat Schedule Leslie Daigle, Loa Andersson, Pekka Nikander Initiated: November 2004 Goal: Create tech chat schedule, topic proposals due from Loa and Pekka Status: Done. Rich will check each month to ensure we don't run out of topics. Architectural Issues Pekka Nikander Initiated: April 2005 Goal: Revise/maintain the list of architectural issues on the IAB web pages. These can also be discussed at the IAB retreat and guide future tech chat topic selection. Status: No progress. RFC Editor Copyright Leslie Daigle, Brian Carpenter Initiated: November 2004 Goal: Pass RFC Editor Copyright provisions to IETF legal counsel for review with respect to permissions relating to protection of IETF interests, integrity of the IETF Standards Track documents for derivative works and relation to any third party interests in the material published by the RFC Editor. Status: RFC Editor has been given legal counsel's opinion that their web site is still wrong. It's low on their priority list. Rich will check RFC Editor web site after Paris. Research Note document proposal Aaron Falk Initiated: November 2004 Goal: Convene a group consisting of Vern Paxson, Brian Carpenter, Aaron Falk, and Leslie Daigle, assisted by Sally Floyd and Mark Handley to document this proposal and highlight related considerations for the IAB. Status: No progress ISOC BoT Selection Rich Draves, Leslie Daigle Initiated: November 2004 Goal: Before the next round, review the RFC 3677 process. Leslie will circulate list of issues to IAB/IESG/IAOC. Status: Leslie circulated the list of issues; discussion is a separate agenda item. Proposed Congestion Control RG Aaron Falk Initiated: January 2005 Goal: Consult with ADs on the potential role for such a RG Status: No progress. Plan to meet with Mark Handley in Paris to push things along. APPENDIX B - Documents A survey of Authentication Mechanisms http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-auth-mech-03.txt (expired) Eric Rescorla Initiated: April 2002 Status: Some internal progress, no externally visible progress. Internationalized Resource Identifiers http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-char-rep-01.txt (expired) Leslie Daigle Initiated: November 2002 Status: No progress Secure Autoconfiguration in IPv6 http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-housley-aaa-key-mgmt-00.txt Bernard Aboba Initiated: March 2003 Status: Under review by EAP, RADEXT, and AAA WGs. Internet Identities http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-identities-02.txt (expired) Patrik Faltstrom, Leslie Daigle Initiated: July 2003 Status: Patrik has XML from Geoff. Patrik wants to understand the IAB's purpose in publishing this document. DOS Attacks http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-dos-02.txt Eric Rescorla Initiated: September 2003 Status: Prepared a new draft. Need help filling in some sections. Untangling Activeware http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-nat-traversal-considerations-00.txt Jonathan Rosenberg Initiated: April 2004 Status: No progress, didn't get to it before the deadline. Top Level Domain Issues http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-dns-assumptions-03.txt Jonathan Rosenberg Initiated: May 2004 Status: Submitted -03. Jonathan thinks it's done. Design Choices When Expanding DNS http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-dns-choices-02.txt Patrik Faltstrom Initiated: June 2004 Status: Patrik says many comments, discussion of ease of registering new RR types. Document needs revision to incorporate details. Architectural Implications of Link Layer Indications http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-link-indications-02.txt Bernard Aboba Initiated: June 2004 Status: Revising to incorporate Pekka's comments. IAOC Selection Procedure http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-iesg-iaoc-selection-01.txt Bert Wijnen Initiated: December 2004 Status: Finished IETF Last Call. Brian (as AD) received a number of comments. Needs revision to indicate that NomCom may use the criteria. Next step would be IESG review for approval. IRTF Review http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-irtf-01.txt Leslie Daigle, Aaron Falk Initiated: December 2004 Status: Aaron still waiting for Dave's comments, then IETF Last Call to make it an IAB informational document. IEEE 802 / IETF Relationship http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-ieee-802-rel-00.txt Loa Andersson, Bernard Aboba Initiated: June 2005 Status: Revision in progress; Section 1.1. will disappear. After -01 hits the archive, next step is review by IAB, IESG & IEEE 802 ExComm. Remaining Issues with the Core IPv6 Protocols David Meyer Initiated: July 2005 Status: Dave has an outline. -- These minutes were prepared by Rich Draves; comments should be sent to execd@iab.org. An online copy of these and other minutes is available at: http://www.iab.org/documents/iabmins/ The IAB Web page is at http://www.iab.org