Wed November 1, 2006 AGENDA 1. Rollcall, Agenda Bash, approval of minutes, administrivia PRESENT: Bernard Aboba Loa Andersson Leslie Daigle Elwyn Davies Olaf Kolkman Kurtis Lindqvist Dave Meyer David Oran Eric Rescorla Dave Thaler Lixia Zhang Aaron Falk Bob Braden representing the RFC Editor Dan Romascanu Phil Roberts Brian Carpenter ABSENT: Kevin Fall Lynn St Amour - Approved minutes of October 25 business meeting 2. RFC Editor question about submissions coming out of working groups The RFC Editor requested advice from the IAB about how to handle individual submissions from that came out of working groups but that working groups chose not to publish as products of the working groups. Brian called attention to (http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iesg-sponsoring-guidelines-00.txt) but according to Bob Braden it doesn't cover this case. The IAB discussed several issues with these sorts of documents including 1) how to accurately record information about the status of the documents 2) what standard of technical review these receive or not and 3) how to go about getting the technical review. Regarding 1) if the RFC editor is going to publish such a document it is important to record whether there were technical reasons it wasn't chosen and what those are; and it is important also to make clear the actual status of the document with respect to the IETF process. The specific documents in question are protocol proposals to CAPWAP that were not chosen. Bob Braden agreed to propose some text to the WG chairs of CAPWAP about how to handle the specific documents. The larger discussion will be held on the independent mailing list. Leslie agreed to forward some text she put together some time ago. 3. Deployment of experimental congestion control? http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-floyd-cc-alt-00.txt Lars requested guidance from the IAB on the issue of when it is appropriate to enable experimental congestion control mechanisms in the Internet. Lars Eggert proposes to have a meeting at IETF 67 to discuss how to handle this. The IAB agreed to let Lars know that a few IAB members will be at the meeting in IETF 67 and to decide whether there needs to be a broader IAB action after assessing the discussion at the meeting. 4. Liaison discussion/appointments Mark Townsley helped create a document describing a liaison relationship with cable labs. Dave Oran agreed to review the document and carry the action for the IAB on whether to set up such a liaison. 5. IETF preparation The IAB discussed preparations for the technical plenary and making sure the various proposed BOFs have IAB coverage. 6. Review of Specific Actions - Use of draft-tracker for IAB documents The IAB discussed whether depending more on the draft tracker for administration of its documents is a worthwhile endeavor. The topic needs some research. Phil, Dan, and Leslie agreed to meet to discuss during IETF-67. - ICANN nomcom appointment The IAB needs to appoint a member of the ICANN nomcom. This is an important job, especially this year, when the ICANN NomCom has to fill slots being left by ICANN Board Chair and very IETF-aware board member, Vint Cerf.. The IAB agreed to discuss some possible candidates during IETF-67. 6. Review of Documents - IAB document now for DNS wildcards? The IAB discussed whether there have been enough occasions now to warrant the publication of an IAB document on this topic. Recently there was some discussion on the IETF list about recursive servers and a wireless ISP that changes answers on the fly. We might also want to capture this together with the sitefinder doc in an RFC. Olaf will report after IETF. - new document on TCP behavior with anycast/mobility? Kurtis has the token to produce a proposal on this - Fred Baker's multihoming scalability doc? http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-baker-v6ops-l3-multihoming-analysis-00.txt Fred requested feedback from the IAB on this document. Kurtis and Dave Meyer will attend the v6 ops meeting on Monday and report on the discussion there. - Olaf's document on appeal support http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kolkman-appeal-support-00.txt The IAB discussed this document and agreed it is better for it not to be an IAB document but if the document gains traction within the community the IAB will consider whether it is important for it to provide a formal review. 7. AOB None. 8. JFC Morfin Appeal The IAB entered executive session to discuss the JFC Morfin appeal. Appendix A - Action Status IAOC Appointment Assigned to: Phil Roberts Initiated: February 2006 Goal: Handle the IAB's appointment to the IAOC, per RFC 4333. Old Status: Phil agreed to produce proposed timelines for completion of this and the ISOC BoT's appointments New Status: IAOC appointment timeline agreed to. Next step, send out announcement of the selection process. ISOC BoT Appointment Assigned to: Phil Roberts Initiated: September 2006 Goal: Handle the IAB's appointment to the ISOC Board of Trustees Status: Proposed timeline sent to ML with comments requested. Workshop on Bad Traffic Assigned to: Leslie Daigle, etc Initiated: October 2005 Goal: Hold an IAB workshop on Unwanted Traffic. Old Status: Loa and Lixia will produce drafts of their parts of the report by Wed 13 Sep New Status on 18 Oct 06: draft-00 of workshop report published Mobility Document or other Assigned to: Lixia Zhang Initiated: May 2006 Goal: Review the status of mobility issues and propose an IAB-sized piece to tackle (if any). IAB RAW Workshop Assigned to: DMM, etc. Initiated: March 2006 Goal: To have a workshop to address routing issues in the internet Old Status: Dave and Lixia will prepare a proposal on goals, topics, and agenda by 9/13/2006. New Status: Workshop held, draft report in progress RAW Workshop Report Assigned to: DMM Initiated: Sep 20 2006 Goal: To produce a report on the RAW workshop in a timely manner Status: Initiated RAW Workshop Wiki Assigned to:Phil Initiated: Sep 20 2006 Goal: To have a wiki that workshop participants can use in preparation for and documentation after the workshop Old Status: Henrik set up a private wiki on tools, Phil will talk to Henrik about its use next week New Status: Workshop wiki in use by workshop participants Data Tracker for IAB docs Assigned to: Phil Initiated: October 2006 Goal: Produce a plan in November; complete execution in December Appendix B - Document Status Design Choices When Expanding DNS Link: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-dns-choices-03.txt Assigned to: Olaf Kolkman, Patrik Faltstrom Initiated: June 2004 Old status: Olaf and PAF will make a final review. A survey of Authentication Mechanisms Link: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-auth-mech-05.txt Assigned to: Eric Rescorla Initiated: April 2002 Old Status: Comments from Sam & others received. Untangling Activeware Link: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-nat-traversal-considerations-00.txt (expired) Assigned to: Lixia Zhang and Dave Oran Initiated: April 2004 Old status: Dave Oran and Lixia agreed to renew this effort. Architectural Implications of Link Layer Indications Link: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-link-indications-05.txt Assigned to: Bernard Aboba Initiated: June 2004 Old status: -05 submitted with comments incorporated. GSE History Assigned to: Lixia Zhang Initiated: December 2005 Old status: Article for IETF Journal produced, Lixia will convert that into an I-D form. Link Layers Supporting Multiple Encapsulations Link: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-link-encaps-02.txt Assigned to: Bernard Aboba Initiated: April 2006 Old Status: Version -02 published. Feedback received from IEEE 802.1 & 802.16 (all positive so far). The RFC Series and the RFC Editor Link: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-rfc-editor-01.txt Assigned to: Leslie Daigle` Initiated: April 2006 Old status: Version -01 published. New status: Last call will be sent.