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IAB Minutes 2000-08-01

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MINUTES FOR AUGUST 1, 2000 IAB FACE-FACE MEETING

PRESENT:

    Ran Atkinson
    Harald Alvestrand
    Fred Baker (IETF Chair)
    Steve Bellovin
    Randy Bush (IESG liaison)
    Brian Carpenter
    Jon Crowcroft
    Leslie Daigle
    Steve Deering
    Tony Hain
    Geoff Huston
    John Klensin (IAB Chair)
    Joyce Reynolds (RFC Editor liaison)
    Henning Schulzrinne
    Abel Weinrib (IAB Executive Director)

NEXT MEETING:

NEW ACTION ITEMS:

  • Brian Carpenter: Arrange “middle boxes” IAB workshop.
  • Harald Alvestrand: Arrange “International Internet” IAB workshop. Fred Baker, Randy Bush, John Klensin… site committee.

OLD ACTION ITEMS:

  • Tony Hain: Contact Charlie Perkins re. future of “case for IPv6″ document; decide how to make progress.
    • Ongoing
  • Henning Schulzrinne: Telephony Services PSTN interworking draft as an IAB document.
    • Ongoing.
  • Rob Austein and Brian Carpenter: Review and potentially update RFC 1958
    • Ongoing.

IAB DRAFTS IN PROGRESS:

NOTES:

    1. review actions

      see above

    2. review drafts in progress

      see above

    3. Themes & workshops for this year

      Middle boxes

        (Jon Crowcroft presents; ftp://cs.ucl.ac.uk/darpa/mw.ppt.gz)
        The e-middle war–the end of the end-end principle?
          can we refine the architecture that says what goes in the middle?
          what “we” like:
            performance enhancements; soft state explicitly-addressable boxes

          what “we” don’t like:

            ALGs, “transparent proxies”; statefull NATs impedance mismatches abound
            buffer cost vs. transmission –> cache
            loss/delay/throughput –> snoop
            private/public –> firewall
            homogeneous vs. heterogeneous –> intranet vs. Internet

          is statefullness next to devil-worship?

            SMTP, etc. all work hop-by-hop…

          Who are “we”?
          Dumb net, smart edge or vice-versa?
          Real life

            replications of services for mirroring, demand-caching or transcoding, redirection for load balancing
            need a router substrate to export more info, and an application level routing framework

          So…

            keep an eye on programmable networks and active services
            eternal vigilance to point out middle war-e boxes that are pointless

          Constructive:

            have an IAB application level routing workshop?
            write a draft on soft state
            write a draft on optimization-type proxies (good)

          Destructive:

            more transparency/IPv6/anti-NAT drafts

        Lots of IAB interest in this topic… Brian Carpenter will plan workshop in Spring ’01.

      Current list:

        Middle boxes
        QoS and high availability
        Integrity of infrastructure (availability):
          DNS and routing

        Another directory workshop?
        International (charsets & identifiers)

          this is a hot topic; lots of interest in doing it asap
            (week of 9/11? 9/18?)
            Korea? Japan?

      New topics:

        instant messaging

    4. ICANN, PSO, IANA, etc.

      Wide ranging discussions re. ongoing issues with ICANN, PSO, IANA, etc. were enjoyed by all.

Future Meetings

    Regular teleconference second Monday of the month at 10:00 AM Eastern Time.


These minutes were prepared by Abel Weinrib . An online copy of these and other minutes are available at http://www.iab.org/documents/IABmins. Also, visit the IAB Web page at http://www.iab.org/iab.