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IAB Minutes 2011-04-27

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Minutes of the 2011-04-27 IAB Teleconference

1. Roll-call, agenda-bash, administrivia, approval of minutes

1.1. Attendance

Bernard Aboba (IAB Chair)
Ross Callon
Alissa Cooper
Spencer Dawkins
Lars Eggert (IRTF Chair)
Joel Halpern
Russ Housley (IETF Chair)
David Kessens
Olaf Kolkman
Danny McPherson
Cindy Morgan (IAB Executive Assistant)
Jon Peterson
Andrei Robachevsky
Dow Street (IAB Executive Director)
Dave Thaler
Hannes Tschofenig
Sean Turner

Lynn St.Amour (ISOC Liaison)

1.2. Agenda

No agenda items were added.

1.3. Administrivia

Hannes confirmed that he will continue to act as liaison to the
IESG. However, due to scheduling conflicts, Hannes will be unable
to attend the IESG retreat May 2-3. Olaf and Andrei are
coordinating their schedules so that at least one of them will be
able to attend on May 2. Bernard will be available to participate
in the IESG retreat remotely on May 3.

1.4. Meeting Minutes

There were three sets of minutes under review. The minutes of the
2010-12-22 business meeting were approved with one change. Dow
asked the board to review the minutes of the 2011-04-13 business
meeting so that they can be approved at the next meeting. The IETF
80 plenary transcript is currently being reviewed by email, and will
be approved by email once the review is complete.

2. Liaison Reports

2.1. ISOC Liaison

Lynn was unable to be on the call due to a scheduling conflict, but
she submitted a written report to the board ahead of time.

<Begin ISOC Liaison written report>


I. ISOC comment on APNIC’s last /8 allocation of IPv4 addresses
II. e-G8 Forum, May 24-25
III. OECD High Level Meeting on the Internet Economy, June 28-29
IV. Internet Society IPv6 Panel @ IETF 80
V. ISOC Requests IGF Open Forum Internet Standards
VI. ISOC Board E-meeting
VII. IAB/W3C/MIT Workshop on Privacy

I. ISOC comment on APNIC’s last /8 allocation of IPv4 addresses

ISOC noted the announcement from APNIC that they are down to their
last /8 of IPv4 addresses, and restrictive policies are kicking in,
along with the importance of continued proper IP address registration
in the post-depletion world:

II. e-G8Forum, May 24-25

As host of the 2011 G8 and G20 meetings, France has decided to
hold special sessions on Internet governance, including an eG8 Forum
on May 24-25. Topics seem to be quite high level (Internet as an
essential driver of knowledge; Emergence of a digital citizenry; the
technologies of the future; Innovation; Impact of mobile
communications on business, the media, etc.; and the protection of
personal information and intellectual property). Lynn St. Amour has
been invited to participate, as has Rod Beckstrom (ICANN). Although
the time is drawing close, the event is still being organized, so no
further details are available at present.

III. OECD High Level Meeting on the Internet Economy, June 28-29

ISOC leadership will be participating in the OECD High Level
Meeting on the Internet Economy June 28-29 in Paris. The Internet
Technical Advisory Committee (ITAC) has been given 20 passes to attend
the event, and the following speakers have been confirmed:
- Welcome and Opening session – Global trends for the Internet: Vint
Cerf, ARIN
- Session 2 – Role of broadband in innovation, economic growth and
social development: Tim Berners Lee, W3C
- Session 3 – Balancing policy goals to strengthen growth: Leslie
Daigle, ISOC
- Session 4 – Policy making principles for an open Internet: Laurent
Liscia, OASIS
Before the High Level Meeting on June 27, ISOC is arranging the first
face-to-face meeting of the ITAC. IAB is an ITAC member.

IV. Internet Society IPv6 Panel @ IETF 80

ISOC had a successful briefing panel on Tuesday of IETF week,
talking about IPv6 — How will we know we’ve arrived? Panelists
offered a range of thoughts on what “good” looks like. The audio of
the session is available here:

V. ISOC Requests IGF Open Forum Internet Standards

ISOC has submitted a request for an Open Forum meeting on
Internet Standards at the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) in Nairobi
in September. IGF Open Forums were introduced early on to allow major
Internet related organizations to present their work (originally
thought of as a kind of activity report of what happened during the
past 12 months.) ISOC, ICANN, ITU, UNESCO, Council of Europe, OECD
have previously used this platform to inform IGF participants. The
session will provide an excellent opportunity to explain how the
Internet standards organizations function. It is intended as an
informational session to an audience that perhaps has more awareness
of ITU-like organizations than the IETF.

VI. ISOC Board E-meeting

The next meeting of the ISOC Board of Trustees is scheduled to
take place via WebEx on Monday, May 9, 2011, 19:00-21:00 UTC. ISOC
Board meetings are open and participation is welcome. The agenda will
be posted here:

VII. IAB/W3C/MIT Workshop on Privacy

Following the IAB/W3C/MIT workshop on privacy a number of
additional activities have emerged. Two to highlight in the near term

W3C Workshop on Identity in the Browser 24/25th May 2011, Mountain
View (USA),

Trent Adams from the Internet Society Trust and Identity (TID) team is
co-chairing this meeting and the call for papers close on April 27.
Submissions include several from well known IETF participants and
topics include both OAuth and abfab as well as security in the

W3C Workshop on Web Tracking and User Privacy 28/29 April 2011,
Princeton, NJ, USA,

Christine Runnegar (ISOC) is a member of the program committee and the
agenda includes an IETF perspective from Peter Saint-Andre as well as
papers from both Hannes and Alissa.

Both topics will also be covered at the spring Internet Identity
Workshop (IIW): ISOC TID
folks will be on hand for both IIW and the proposed oauth interim

<End ISOC Liaison written report>

2.2. IESG Liaison

Sean introduced his written report, with a note that the issues
listed are ongoing, and that there is nothing requiring IAB
attention at this time.

<Begin IESG Liaison written report>

SDO coordination:

- TRILL (IEEE 802.1): Working to ensure there’s no issue.

- MPLS (ITU-T): In the latest liaison response, we instructed them how
to get code point. The ball is in their court to produce a draft
and work it through the process.

- Q.flowstatesig (ITU-T): In their latest liaison
(, SG11/Q5
indicated they will be sending a final draft for our review. The
plan is to send the draft for review to as well as the
TSV and INT directorates/areas. This ensures a public review of the
document as opposed to just an AD review.

New work:

- PAWS (new): Some debate about a) where it would be located (RAI or
Apps) – most seem to feel Apps; b) whether the scope too US specific
wrt to privacy/security, and; c) whether XML is a good choice for
the protocol.

- RTCWEB (new): Seems to be going to somewhat smoothly. At least two
IESGers asked what state the documents marked ‘sent to W3C’ need to
be in. Answer was that they would be IDs with consensus with the
idea that they could be changed if there are objections from W3C
(i.e., we send them an RFC and it’s a little harder to change it if
they object).

- Softwires (recharter): A recharter was submitted to the IESG prior
to IETF 80, but it was sent back to the WG because it had not been
discussed in the WG. Looks like it will move forward with some
minor changes.

<End IESG Liaison written report>

2.3. RFC Editor Liaison

Olaf introduced his written report with a note that the future of
the For Your Information (FYI) sub-series is currently under

<Begin RFC Editor Liaison written report>

RFC Editor Report April 27, 2011

== Production Center Statistics

March Statistics
- – Sub: 56 (1813 pgs)
- – Pub: 49 (1485 pgs)

April Statistics (to date)
- – Sub: 16 (502 pgs)
- – Pub: 40 (870 pgs)

There were increased submission rates in January and March (46 & 56,
respectively), and we are now dealing with the issue of working the
queue down to a normal level. The typical trend is for March to be a
big submission month when there is turnover in the IESG; this year
there were 2 sizable submission months (January subs: 46 / March subs:

== Noteworthy

=== The FYI Subseries

The FYI subseries that was established by RFC 1150 recently got quite a
bit of attention. The trigger that raised the RFC-Editors attention
was a request whether the FYI subseries was still available for the
publication of draft-ietf-dnsop-as112-under-attack-help-help.

- From the perspective of the RFC-Editor we shared some factoids:

- – As far as the FYI is concerned that sub series still exist. It was
taken into account as one of the subseries in RFC 5741 (RFC Streams,
Headers, and Boilerplates). There is no mention of the subseries in
RFC 4844. In particular no mention that there is a special stream-
bound approval process (like for BCPs, see RFC 4844 section 5.1.1)

- – The most recent FYI was published in August 2007 (RFC 4949 (FYI
36)) it was submitted as an Independent submission via RFC Editor.

And some opinions:
- – Whether a FYI number is to be assigned is a question for the
stream approvers.

- – Whether the FYI series still has utility, and how that utility is
advertised, is a question that will be tabled for a future RSE, the
answer depends a lot on whether the streams and the community sees
this subseries as useful.

Currently there is an ongoing discussion about draft-iesg-
rfc1150bis-00.txt, a document reflecting the IESG consensus to not use
the FYI series any-longer.

<End RFC Editor Liaison written report>

2.4. IRTF Chair

Lars reported that the new IRTF website ( is
live and that the issue tracker for IRTF-stream document has been
cleaned up and is now up-to-date. Lars also reported that the IRSG
is discussing the future of the MOBOPTS Research Group.

<No IRTF Chair written report was submitted>

3. IETF 81 Technical Plenary

Alissa reported that the Privacy Program team held a conference call
to brainstorm ideas for the IETF 81 Technical Plenary. The team has
come up with three options as to how the panel speakers could be
structured, and asked the board to provide feedback on those options
before the next business meeting. Alissa will send an email to the
board to start the discussion about how to structure the panel
session at the IETF 81 Technical Plenary.

4. Status of Programs and Initiatives

Bernard reminded the board members to sign up for the various
Programs and Initiatives, and asked them to continue to think about
potential non-board members for each Program and Initiative so that
we can proceed to set up mailing lists. The leads and current
members of each Program and Initiative were reviewed briefly.
Program leads will be responsible for reporting back to the board.

4.1. Privacy Program

Alissa will act as lead for the Privacy Program.

4.2. Internationalization Program

Dave Thaler will act as lead for the Internationalization Program.

4.3. RFC Editor Program

Joel will act as lead for the RFC Editor Program. Joel will also be
the interface between the RSOC and the board.

4.4. IANA Evolution Program

Olaf will act as lead for the IANA Evolution Program.

4.5. SDO Coordination Program

Andrei will act as lead for the SDO Coordination Program.

4.6. IP Evolution

Danny will act as lead for the IP Evolution Initiative.

4.7. DNS

Jon will act as lead for the DNS Initiative.

4.8. IPv6 for IAB Business

Bernard will act as lead for the IPv6 for IAB Business Initiative.

4.9. HTTP/Web Evolution

Jon will act as lead for the HTTP/Web Evolution Initiative.

5. Retreat Planning and Agenda

The board reviewed the agenda for the retreat. Discussion leaders
have been identified for the various agenda topics. Bernard asked
everyone to prepare for their discussions ahead of time, since time
on the agenda is limited.

6. Action Item Review

This agenda item was deferred to the next business meeting (May 4,
2011) due to lack of time. In the meantime, Cindy will contact
board members offline for updates on the current status of action

7. Quick Summary of Discussion of IETF/W3C Liaison with Philippe le
Hegeret of W3C

Bernard reported that he and several other IAB members had met with
Philippe le Hegeret to discuss
the IETF/W3C liaison relationship and compare notes on current work.
The W3C TAG would like to arrange a meeting with the board sometime
around IETF 81 in Quebec, and planning for that is in progress.

8. All Other Business (AOB)

There was no other business.

9. Conclude Call