Minutes IAB Teleconference 2008-10-01 1. Roll-call, agenda-bash, approval of minutes, administrivia 1.1. Agenda 1.2. Attendance PRESENT Loa Anderson (IAB Liaison to the IESG) Gonzalo Camarillo Stuart Cheshire Lars Eggert (IESG Liaison to the IAB) Aaron Falk (IRTF Chair) Russ Housley (IETF Chair) Olaf Kolkman (IAB Chair) Gregory Lebovitz Barry Leiba Kurtis Lindqvist Andy Malis Danny McPherson David Oran Dow Street (IAB Executive Director) ADDITIONAL PARTICIPANTS Patrik Faltstrom Pete Resnick APOLOGIES: Sandy Ginoza (RFC Editor Liaison) Lynn St. Amour (ISOC Liaison) Dave Thaler Lixia Zhang 1.3. Administrivia Dow noted that a new page has been added to the IAB wiki for tracking small action items. Several items were also added to the meeting agenda (see AOB). 1.4. Review of Meeting Minutes The group approved final minutes for the 2008-09-03 IAB business meeting. 2. ISO/IEC JTC1 SC2 Liaison Two related liaison issues were considered. Barry explained that the WIPO liaison has been basically non-existent, and that Patrik Faltstrom, the current IETF liaison to WIPO, has had no work to do here for some time. Barry suggested that the IAB consider eliminating the formal liaison relationship, noting that it could always be reinstated at a later date if needed. Patrik explained that the liaison had been created some time ago as an aftermath of previous DNS work, back before ICANN existed when the IETF had the oversight committee. He has been the liaison since Herald was IETF chair, and there has been zero activity over that time. In fact, the liaison counterpart on the WIPO side is not currently known. In light of this, the board agreed to have Patrick take steps to (1) identify the appropriate WIPO representative and (2) terminate the liaison relationship in a mutually agreeable manner. The second liaison issue concerns the relationship with JTC1-SC2. Pete Resnik is the current IETF liaison for this interface with ISO, and he recently sent a report summarizing the situation. JTC1 SC2 is ISO's character set activity, and it too has seen little activity as of late. Barry observed that this work is related to the unicode character set work, for which Patrick is currently the liaison, and suggested that perhaps Patrick could cover this liaison also given the low level of activity. Olaf asked whether it was worth retaining this formal liaison arrangement. Most IETF work has transitioned to unicode formats, but mail still makes use of ISO character sets. It was decided that Pete should look into the history of why the JTC1-SC2 liaison was created, confer with Patrick, and get back to the IAB with a recommendation on whether to retain or dissolve the SC2 liaison. 3. IRTF Stream Document Approval Aaron updated the group on the IRTF stream document. This draft has been around for a while and has had few changes for several months. There was a recent change to the publication track; it was moved from a BCP to an Informational document. Aaron requested that the IAB approve the draft, at which point it will go to the RFC Editor for publication. Olaf noted that this document goes along with 3932bis and the Headers and Boilerplates draft, mainly due to the changes to the kind of IESG statements that are allowed. The IRTF Stream document could only go into effect once those are approved. Olaf is working with Leslie Daigle on the H&B draft, and the 3932bis is in IETF last call. The IAB approved the IRTF stream document. 4. IAB Plenary Topics Planning Andy and Loa have created a list of potential topics for future IAB plenaries, and the topic "MPLS at 12 years" was tentatively selected for IETF 74. The talk would tie into the protocol success work. Loa agreed to lead the planning for this session, which will likely involve several speakers from the community. Other topics on the list were IP Model Evolution, Network Neutrality, MPLS-TP, and IP in 4G wireless networks. Dave Thaler will be presenting IP Model Evolution at the IETF 73 Plenary. 5. RFC Editor Model Olaf again encouraged IAB members to engage on the RFC Editor Model discussion, and gave a update on the current state. Recent debate has focused on the RFC Editorial board's role. It looks likely that this will evolve into one or more advisory boards for the Independent Stream Editor and the RFC Editor functions. He then requested the IAB to decide on several specific items: (a) That the model as currently described will serve as the basis for the implementation by the IAOC. That would allow the IAOC to start the RFI process, and write the statements of work, and ensure that the model can be implemented by 2009. The model allows for the IAB to appoint a sub-committee that advises the IAB and IAOC (b) While the IAOC and the IAB have their specific role. We need to create some expertise within the IAB and IAOC and if possible draw expertise from the Editorial board too. One sub-committee to keep oversight over the selection and make recommendations to IAB and IAOC. (c) The IAB will request the IAOC to devise a preferred method for selecting the Independent Submission Editor and RFC Editor. This selection method could be through an RFI, or could be through a less formal approach (e.g., IAB selection). Also, if either function is supported by a stipend, the IAB will request that the IAOC establish the monetary level of the stipend. In this manner, the IAB will have a heads-up as to whether to begin a selection process. (d) The new model will be published as an RFC later. Version 00 of the draft will be used to kick-off the process, with the that some tweaks will occur during the initial implementation. - the draft 00 model will be in the ID repository soon - the text can be tweaked slightly if issues are found during the implementation Russ expressed his support for this plan, adding that he believes the model will result in cost savings. He also stated that he felt having the Independent submission series stand with a parallel administrative to the other streams was a positive change. Kurtis also thought this structure would clarify the responsibilities of the functions for the IAOC. There were no objections from other IAB members. Olaf will also initiate a consensus call on the RFC interest list. 6. Action Item Status 6.1. Anycast (no change in status) 6.2. Infrastructure ENUM Document (no change in status) 7. Document Status 7.1. Principles of Internet Host Configuration The document will go to IETF call for comments this week. 7.2. Design Choices When Expanding DNS Dave Thaler recently requested the IAB to review new suggestions in the document relating to the use of unknown resource record types in corporate environments. The review period is still open. 7.3. DNS Synthesis Concerns (no change in status) 7.4. A survey of Authentication Mechanisms (no change in status) 7.5. Evolution of the IP Model (no change in status) 7.6. Design Considerations for Protocol Extensions Stuart will coordinate with Brian Carpenter on this draft. (no change in status) 8. AOB 8.1. Experimental RFCs Loa observed a possible emerging trend, where RFCs are being marked as 'Experimental' when they are not qualified to be standards track. This is a different use of the track than seen previously, where experimental RFCs document actual experiments or experimental technologies. He cited examples on the IESG list of comments like "this is not well enough written for PS, but I would agree to experimental". Russ asked whether we really want experiments in the experimental track, or whether the intent of such RFCs was to assess whether the market wants a particular technology. Stuart added that it is difficult to determine whether a problem exists without specific examples. Loa will try and write something down by the next IETF meeting, at which point the IAB will consider it further. 8.2. Blacklists and Reverse Lookup of DNS Names The IAB had previously received mail from Claudio Allocchio regarding the blocking of traffic to Perugia Academic Research Network based solely on a DNS name that included the string 'dyn'. Claudio had previously contacted the blocking provider to correct the situation, and finding little success, forwarded the message on to the IAB for comment. Kurtis has drafted a response, and will send it to the IAB list for review. 8.3. IETF Journal Article Gregory has written an article for the IETF Journal summarizing the IETF 72 IPv6 Plenary. He has been coordinating on the draft with plenary panelists, and solicited comments from the rest of the IAB. 8.4. IAOC Selection Process Olaf noted that the time is approaching for the IAB to select an IAOC candidate, and asked for a volunteer to manage this process. He will work offline to identify said volunteer. 8.5. IPv4/IPv6 Interim Meeting There was a brief discussion of the upcoming IPv4/IPv6 interim meeting. Dave Thaler had indicated previously that he would be attending. 8.6. Host Config Document Olaf reported that the document "Principles of Internet Host Configuration" has been updated to draft -07 and is ready for a community call for comments. 8.7. BOF call Olaf reminded the group of the upcoming BOF call on 10/3, where the IESG and IAB will review BOF requests for IETF 73. 9. Conclude Call