To: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU> CC: firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, ietf-announce Subject: Re: Appeal against IESG decision Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:28:43 -0500
On Saturday, January 4th 2003, Robert Elz filed an appeal with the Internet Architecture Board (IAB). The appeal concerned the IESG decision to publish draft-ietf-ipngwg-addr-arch-v3-11.txt as a Draft Standard and the subsequent IESG consideration of an appeal to the IETF chair on this matter.
The appeal asked the IAB to consider whether the Internet Engineering Steering Group’s (IESG’s) decision to approve the publication of draft-ietf-ipngwg-addr-arch-v3-11.txt as a Draft Standard met the process and technical standards of the IETF. The appeal contained the following claims:
1) That the IESG failed to verify interoperability of 2 independent implementations for the Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) unicast address format defined in the above Internet-Draft.
2) That the IESG failed to verify that 2 independent implementations exist that prohibit the configuration of any IPv6 unicast address (not including those that start with binary 000) that does not have a 64-bit Interface-Identifier (Interface-ID).
3) That the document draft-ietf-ipngwg-addr-arch-v3-11.txt fails to clearly indicate (e.g. using customary MAY, SHOULD, MUST language) which parts of the document are mandatory or optional to implement or which parts of the document are interoperability requirements.
4) That the document uses the phrase “global scope” in a way that is materially confusing and causes a typical reader to incorrectly assume that “global scope” means “globally unique”.
5) That the IESG has failed to verify that at least two interoperable implementations exist that prohibit the configuration of an interface-ID with the ‘u’ bit when the basis of the interface-ID is not a “globally unique token (MAC address or similar)”.
6) That the document is materially unclear with respect to the language on when the ‘u’ bit of an Interface-ID is permitted to be set (or not set).
In its rejection of Robert Elz’s original appeal to the IESG, the IESG stated:
A) That there is no traditional requirement that implementation reports “include detailed verification that implementations enforce every statement…in the absence of explicit text requiring that an implementation make such checks.”
B) That the requirement is that implementations operate when correctly configured, not that they interoperate when incorrectly configured.
C) That there is no traditional requirement that an implementation disallow an operator from misconfiguring a protocol.
D) That the Internet-Draft in question does not require that the Interface-ID be globally unique when the ‘u’ bit is set; it merely requires that the Interface-ID comply with the EUI-64 specification when the ‘u’ bit is set.
E) That Elz’s appeal is rejected by the IESG.
2. IAB Conclusion
Some of the issues raised in this appeal represent instances in which the process or technical standards of the IETF were not met. On that basis, the IAB has determined that the IESG decision to advance this specification on the IETF standards-track as a Draft Standard in its current form, and the IESG’s subsequent response to Elz’s appeal, were incorrect.
On that basis, the draft in its current form must not be published as a IETF Draft Standard, and may be published as an IETF Proposed Standard.
The IAB response to this appeal is in three parts. The first part contains particular facts determined by the IAB that relate to the claims made in the appeal. The second part contains related observations of the IAB arising from its review of documents germane to the appeal. The third part contains recommendations to the IESG as to possible actions on how to remedy the matters raised here.
2.1 Salient Facts
The IAB has determined the following facts regarding the Elz appeal:
I) An IP Address Architecture specification will always need to have some implementation requirements and interoperability requirements. Addressing and routing are inextricably linked. Decisions about an address architecture necessarily have impacts on the forwarding of IP packets and on the routing protocols. If there were no requirements in an IP Address Architecture, it is very unlikely that global interoperability could result in practice. We further find that an IPv6 Address Architecture document belongs on the standards-track.
II) The IETF standards process does NOT require that a tested implementation prohibit misconfiguration of a protocol parameter, unless there is a specific written statement requiring such in the applicable specification document.
The IAB makes the additional comment that to interpret the standards process requirements otherwise would be to make it nearly impossible for any IETF standards-track specification to advance and would be a new and undue process burden on the IETF.
III) The IETF standards process does require that the default settings for each protocol parameter are valid and interoperable when tested as part of an interoperability report. It is not required that each protocol parameter’s default setting be individually documented in an interoperability report. The IETF requires interoperability testing, not conformance testing, as part of advancement beyond Proposed Standard according to RFC-2026.
2.2 IAB Considerations
In the course of reviewing the appeal and studying the facts germane to the appeal, the IAB also reached consensus on the following points:
IV) The Internet-Draft in question is not sufficiently clear in specifying the implementation requirements and/or interoperability requirements for the IPv6 Address Architecture.
V) This lack of clarity on the part of the draft document violates criteria as specified in RFC-2026
and RFC-2119, by not containing clear documentation of the implementation requirements and interoperability requirements. On this basis, the draft cannot be published in its current form on the IETF standards-track as a Draft Standard.
VI) The questions of whether the IESG properly verified implementation report details regarding this I-D are moot, due to the consideration that the I-D itself was in violation of RFC-2026
VII) The phrase ‘global scope’ does not mean ‘globally unique’. There remains, however, some scope for confusion as to the precise meaning of the term ‘global scope’ for the average reader.
VIII) The existing specification of how the ‘u’ bit is used in an IPv6 unicast Interface-ID is clear, but the current version of the I-D under appeal is unclear regarding the implementation or interoperability requirements, if any, that are related to the ‘u’ bit
IX) The IAB considers that the separation of the Interface-ID from the Subnet Identifier in IPv6 unicast addresses not starting with binary 000 is a fundamental property of the IPv6 addressing and routing architecture and should be retained.
X) The IAB notes that RFC-2461
Section 4.6.2 permits an IPv6 router to advertise an IPv6 unicast prefix-length of more than 64 bits while simultaneously setting the ‘autonomous configuration’ flag to true. Further, the RFC-2462
Section 5.5.3d does not explicitly require that the IPv6 prefix length not exceed 64 bits, as the IPv6 Address Architecture draft requires. Hence, we find a material conflict between the specifications in the IPv6 Address Architecture draft, in RFC-2461, and in RFC-2462.
XI) We believe that the conflicts noted in (X) occurred primarily because of the failure of the I-D under appeal to comply with the requirement for clearly specified implementation and interoperability requirements as per RFC-2119 and RFC-2026.
XII) We concur with IESG statements paraphrased above as (A), (B), (C), and (D). However, we reject the IESG conclusion (E) on the basis that the IESG’s reply to Elz ignored the question of whether the current language regarding implementation requirements and interoperability requirements in draft-ietf- ipngwg-addr-arch-v3-11.txt is sufficiently clear and fully compliant with RFC-2026
2.3 IAB Recommendations
The IAB makes the following recommendations with regard to draft-ietf- ipngwg-addr-arch-v3-11.txt. An organizing theme behind these recommendations is a desire on the part of the IAB to see the IPv6 addressing architecture stabilized as quickly as possible, with interoperability requirements clearly specified, in an aid to facilitating the more rapid implementation and deployment of IPv6 in the Internet infrastructure.
As noted in Section 2, the IAB has determined that the draft in its current form must not be published as an IETF Draft Standard.
- specifically note that it is not valid to configure an IPv6 router such that the ‘autonomous configuration’ bit is set to TRUE AND the advertised IPv6 prefix length exceeds 64 bits AND the advertised IPv6 prefix does not start with binary 000,
- specifically require that a host ignore a Prefix Advertisement Option when the first three bits of the advertised IPv6 prefix do not start with binary 000 AND the advertised IPv6 prefix-length exceeds 64-bits.
a) We recommend to the IESG that the current version of the I-D draft be published as a Proposed Standard.
b) We recommend that the IESG consider the publication of subsequent updates to this document as per recommendations c) and d).
c) We recommend that, as an update to this document, and via a recommendation to the IESG, that the IPv6 Working Group create clear, specific, and concise implementation and interoperability requirements as per RFC-2026 and RFC-2119
in any revised version of the IPv6 Addressing Architecture document. This includes, but is not limited to, the specification of any implementation or interoperability requirements relating to the use of the ‘u’ bit in an IPv6 unicast Interface-ID.
d) We recommend that, as an update to this document, and via a recommendation to the IESG, that the IPv6 Working Group uses clearer specification language as per RFC-2026
and RFC-2119 to describe the requirement for a 64-bit Interface-ID in IPv6 unicast addresses not starting with binary 000.
e) We recommend that, via a recommendation to the IESG, that the IPv6 Working Group expeditiously revise RFC-2461
and also expeditiously revise RFC-2462
for the IAB.
Robert Elz wrote:
From: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU> To: firstname.lastname@example.org cc: email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com Subject: Appeal against IESG decision Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 15:07:28 +0700
This is an appeal to the IAB against the IESG decision to reject my appeal against their earlier decision to approve the publication of draft-ietf-ipngwg-addr-arch-v3-11.txt as a Draft Standard.
The issues here are very simple, and no lengthy examination of mailing list archives, taking of evidence, hearing opinions, … should be necessary in this case. I believe that none of the facts are in any kind of dispute.
Those facts are
- RFC2026 says, in section 4.1.2 …
A specification from which at least two independent and interoperable implementations from different code bases have been developed, and for which sufficient successful operational experience has been obtained, may be elevated to the “Draft Standard” level. […]
The requirement for at least two independent and interoperable implementations applies to all of the options and features of the specification. In cases in which one or more options or features have not been demonstrated in at least two interoperable implementations, the specification may advance to the Draft Standard level only if those options or features are removed.
- draft-ietf-ipngwg-addr-arch-v3-11.txt contains at least one (and perhaps two) features for which there are not two interoperable implementations.
The one is:
For all unicast addresses, except those that start with binary value 000, Interface IDs are required to be 64 bits long and to be constructed in Modified EUI-64 format.
There’s no dispute that there are no interoperable implementations of this – there are no implementations of it at all (or no documented ones anyway).
Note that the spec actually gives no option here, other than the exceptions (the 000 addresses, and multicast), interface IDs are required to be 64 bits long. While all implementations I’m aware of allow 64 bit IDs, none have been presented that require it. The draft *requires* it.
Any reasonable reading of 2026 would require that that feature of the specification be removed from the draft before the draft is permitted to be published as a draft standard. Of course, as an alternative, the WG or IESG could have the draft, as it is, published as a Proposed Standard, and await the necessary two implementations of the feature before requesting advancement.
The IESG’s opinion of this seems to be that the “two implementations of every feature” applies only where they consider it important enough to bother checking. I have no problems with drafts advancing when no-one brings to the attention of the IESG that there is a problem in this area. But when a problem is pointed out, the clear words of 2026 really must be enforced.
The rationale for this requirement in 2026 is simple (as the IESG should know, as the author of 2026 is a member of the IESG). First, it ensures that the text in the document is clear enough that it can be implemented in an interoperable way. And second, it helps make sure that the document doesn’t get cluttered with requirements in practice no-one bothers to implement – that is, that the document is a proper specification, and anyone reading the document can implement from it, with the expectation that their implementation will interoperate with others.
The quoted text from the draft fails both of those tests. We have no implementations so we don’t know that the text is clear enough to be implemented correctly. It may seem obvious that the text is clear to any reader – but the IETF has always ignored “seem obvious” and required actual implementation experience as a demonstration.
Second, an implementation which did faithfully follow the words of the draft would fail to interoperate correctly with every other known implementation of it. It may be claimed that it is the other implementations, or the way they are configured, that is at fault here, but that’s not relevant – the aim is to get interoperability, and if we have operators configuring /112, /226, /227 and similar prefix lengths (that is, interface ID’s that are 16, 2, or 1, and other, numbers of bits long) – and we do – then an implementation that enforced the 64 bit IID requirement (allowed only /64 prefix on an interface) would fail to interoperate with other implementations (with all other existing implementations).
This seems to be a “placeholder” fluff feature, being maintained to perhaps allow some future design to allow applications to simply “know” what is the prefix, and what is the interface-ID. The requirement for existing implementations in 2026 is a specific requirement that such fluff be removed from docs before they’re allowed to advance to DS status.
The extra requirement should be removed from the document, and then, if the WG so desires, published as a PS (or Experimental) RFC of its own. If it then becomes accepted and implemented, it could be merged back with the main document in a later revision.
The second issue in the appeal to the IESG concerned the ‘u’ bit, which is one of the bits of the IID as defined.
The IESG referred to this as …
B/ Robert says “The requirement that where the ‘u’ bit (the inverted L bit from the MAC address) is set, the IID is globally unique.”
and eventually concluded …
The IESG notes that there is no wording in draft-ietf-ipngwg-addr-arch-v3-11.txt requiring that IIDs be globally unique.
and then quoted two passages from the draft, only the last part of which is relevant.
In the resulting Modified EUI-64 format the “u” bit is set to one (1) to indicate global scope, and it is set to zero (0) to indicate local scope.
It is true that the doc does not expressly say “globally unique”, what it says is “indicate global scope”.
The draft also says …
Modified EUI-64 format based Interface identifiers may have global scope when derived from a global token (e.g., IEEE 802 48-bit MAC or IEEE EUI-64 identifiers [EUI64]) or may have local scope […]
The use of the universal/local bit in the Modified EUI-64 format identifier is to allow development of future technology that can take advantage of interface identifiers with global scope.
I doubt I’m the only reader to come to the conclusion that “have global scope” actually means “be globally unique”. What’s more, a review of various IPv6 related mailing lists will show this opinion expressed over and over again. Clearly there are many readers who have leapt to this wrong conclusion, if it is in fact wrong, and as the IESG have concluded, there is no actual expectation that the IID will be any more than probably globally unique, then the draft should probably be more explicit in saying that, rather than allowing readers to leap to the incorrect interpretation.
But there is more to this than the IESG apparently understood. The question isn’t just whether the ‘u’ bit being set implies that the IID is globally unique (or has “global scope”) but whether there are any implementations at all that actually enforce the setting of the ‘u’ bit only when the IID has been formed from a (probably) globally unique token (a MAC address or similar). Here there has been one implementation reported on the mailing list (but not in the interoperability report) – but for DS status, one implementation isn’t enough.
Other implementations allow the user to configure the ‘u’ bit set without having any knowledge or expectation, or reason to assume, that the address is derived from any kind of globally unique token (or token with global scope). What’s more, they do this for good reason, as without that ability, users have no way to remove a NIC, and replace it with another, and retain the original (auto-configured) IPv6 address (which being based upon the MAC address that the old NIC provided, would have had the ‘u’ bit set). In this case the address is in fact based upon a globally unique token, but the implementation has no way to know that, and so must also allow the ‘u’ bit to be set when the rest of the IID is 0, or 1, or 2, which are most certainly not tokens with any kind of global scope. What’s more, as the old NIC may be now in use in some other host, there’s no reason in the example cited to assume that there’s any uniqueness at all – for correct IPv6 operation, the NIC can’t be connected to the same subnet as where it used to be, but beyond that IPv6 works just fine with the same IID on different nets).
Once again, we have a feature of the specification which is either not implemented, or at best, is not clear.
The IESG’s response to all of this is …
When considering this appeal, it is clear from the interoperability reports that there are implementations that generate the interface ID from the EUI-64 identifier, which makes it be 64 bits long. It is also clear that the uniqueness properties of EUI-64 based identifiers will be the same as the EUI-64 identifiers from which they are derived (which is slightly weaker than a requirement for global uniqueness).
Yes – though in practice implementations (bar one) allow addresses to be generated from EUI-64’s, but they also allow indistinguishable addresses to be manually configured – so in practice (which is what the interoperable implementation requirement is attempting to ensure that the specification conforms to) extracting an IID from an IPv6 address, and expecting it to have any kind of similar properties of global uniqueness as an EUI-64 would be a false expectation, and the draft should not lead people into expecting otherwise. Only if implementations actually enforced this requirement (which they can easily do, as the one which has done it shows, though of course, this loses functionality) would this expectation be justified.
So for at least some implementations, they are capable of acting as specified in the document being challenged.
No. The requirement challenged is a “must only be” – or if you like, a MUST NOT. The fact that it is possible to conform with the spec using existing implementations has nothing to do with the issue at all.
The IESG’s response here would be the equivalent of responding to a requirement that “All cars must be red” by pointing to a few red cars and saying “see, it can be done”. That it can be done isn’t the issue, the issue is that the specification says it MUST be done. To be advanced to DS, all that is required is that there be 2 conforming implementations, what the rest do is irrelevant (until the doc is ready to be advanced to full standard). For some specifications, 2 implementations itself is a large hurdle, for IPv6, it isn’t, there are many implementations. That none of them have implemented one of the requirements of the doc, and only one another, should be a pretty obvious red flag that these requirements should not remain in the document.
The IESG also says …
We traditionally require that things interoperate when configured correctly, not that they interoperate when configured incorrectly, or that it be impossible to configure them incorrectly.
Of course, that’s as it should be. That is, except where the specification explicitly says that something must not be possible. There’s no point keeping a prohibition in the specification if no-one takes any notice of it. There’s no difference here to keeping some other feature that no-one bothers to implement.
And again from the IESG …
Implementation reports are used to verify that independent implementations can succesfully interoperate. This is a quality check on the clarity of the documents.
Yes. But the IESG have managed to conveniently forget the other purpose for the requirement – that is, as a check that the features are actually being implemented, and that the document isn’t describing things which in practice everyone ignores.
But even without that, here we have no quality check on the clarity of the relevant statements in the documents – no-one has implemented them. (No-one has implemented one, there’s only one implementation of the other). We’re only guessing if we assume that the statements are clear enough.
Requiring explicit verification on all statements would be a change to existing practice and one that would likely increase the difficulty in advancing documents on the standards track.
That’s what was intended. If existing practice has been to ignore the two implementation requirement, when it is known not to be met, then I submit that the IESG has been operating contrary to the clear instructions of 2026.
It need not be onerous to enforce this however – it is entirely reasonable to expect the community to point out any flaws in the implementation reports as published. If there are no reported problems, the IESG, and the community, are justified in assuming that the reports fully document the required interoperability of every feature. Where there are reports that interoperability of some feature has not been properly documented, then it should be easy for the implementation report to be corrected, if the feature has in fact been implemented and tested. If it has been implemented, but not tested, then the report should be seen as being of benefit, in showing a potential trouble area, not as a burden. If testing shows that all works, then there’s real harm done, and the implementation report can be corrected. If testing shows non-interoperability, then clearly there’s something that needs fixing (in some cases, just implementation bugs, after which further testing will show the specification is fine). On the other hand if testing is not possible, because the feature has not been implemented, then it really should be removed from the document before it is advanced. That’s what the requirement in 2026 is there for.
The IESG again …
There are many places in IETF standards where a field is stated to be a specific length or a value to be within a range. Requiring that the limits be enforced in software for all of these cases would put a significant extra burden on the implementers and the documenters of the implementations for questionable benefit.
This is once again based upon a misunderstanding of what is required. No-one is requiring that the limits be enforced in general. What is being asked is that someone (sometwo really) has done it. What’s the point of a requirement that is universally ignored? There is none, it is misleading, and should not be permitted in a Draft Standard.
I would ask that the IAB instruct the IESG to overturn their decision to publish the draft (draft-ietf-ipngwg-addr-arch-v3-11.txt) as a Draft Standard, and at their choice, either publish it as a Proposed Standard, or return it to the working group for amendments that will allow it to be published as a Draft Standard.
ps: I would also request that the RFC editor continue to defer publication of this draft until the IAB has dealt with this appeal.