MINUTES FOR AUGUST 1, 2000 IAB FACE-FACE MEETING
PRESENT:
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Ran Atkinson
Harald Alvestrand
Fred Baker (IETF Chair)
Steve Bellovin
Randy Bush (IESG liaison)
Brian Carpenter
Jon Crowcroft
Leslie Daigle
Steve Deering
Tony Hain
Geoff Huston
John Klensin (IAB Chair)
Joyce Reynolds (RFC Editor liaison)
Henning Schulzrinne
Abel Weinrib (IAB Executive Director)
NEXT MEETING:
NEW ACTION ITEMS:
- Brian Carpenter: Arrange “middle boxes” IAB workshop.
- Harald Alvestrand: Arrange “International Internet” IAB workshop. Fred Baker, Randy Bush, John Klensin… site committee.
OLD ACTION ITEMS:
- Tony Hain: Contact Charlie Perkins re. future of “case for IPv6” document; decide how to make progress.
- Ongoing
- Henning Schulzrinne: Telephony Services PSTN interworking draft as an IAB document.
- Ongoing.
- Rob Austein and Brian Carpenter: Review and potentially update RFC 1958
- Ongoing.
IAB DRAFTS IN PROGRESS:
- Geoff Huston: QOS
- Ongoing. .02 version circulated to IAB for comments. Send to IESG for publication as Informational RFC.
- Erik Huizer: Network Layer Workshop report.
- Ongoing. In RFC Editor queue.
- Ran Atkinson: Security considerations, including common security attacks.
- Ongoing. References need to be cleaned up, then send to IESG for publication as BCP.
- Harald Alvestrand: Directory definitions.
- Ongoing.
- Tony Hain: NAT/VPN
- Ongoing. Send to IESG for publication as Informational RFC.
- Leslie Daigle: Security, firewalls, proxies, etc.
- Ongoing. Send to IESG for publication as Informational RFC.
- Steve Bellovin: Applicability statement for security building blocks.
- Ongoing.
- Tony Hain: The case for IPv6.
- Ongoing.
- Steve Deering: Routing Workshop report as Informational RFC.
- Ongoing. In RFC Editor queue.
- Brian Carpenter: Wireless workshop report.
- Ongoing. Last call has been sent to workshop list.
NOTES:
1. review actions
see above
2. review drafts in progress
see above
3. Themes & workshops for this year
Middle boxes
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(Jon Crowcroft presents; ftp://cs.ucl.ac.uk/darpa/mw.ppt.gz)
The e-middle war–the end of the end-end principle?
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can we refine the architecture that says what goes in the middle?
what “we” like:
- performance enhancements; soft state explicitly-addressable boxes
what “we” don’t like:
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ALGs, “transparent proxies”; statefull NATs impedance mismatches abound
buffer cost vs. transmission –> cache
loss/delay/throughput –> snoop
private/public –> firewall
homogeneous vs. heterogeneous –> intranet vs. Internet
is statefullness next to devil-worship?
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SMTP, etc. all work hop-by-hop…
Who are “we”?
Dumb net, smart edge or vice-versa?
Real life
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replications of services for mirroring, demand-caching or transcoding, redirection for load balancing
need a router substrate to export more info, and an application level routing framework
So…
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keep an eye on programmable networks and active services
eternal vigilance to point out middle war-e boxes that are pointless
Constructive:
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have an IAB application level routing workshop?
write a draft on soft state
write a draft on optimization-type proxies (good)
Destructive:
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more transparency/IPv6/anti-NAT drafts
Lots of IAB interest in this topic… Brian Carpenter will plan workshop in Spring ’01.
Current list:
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Middle boxes
QoS and high availability
Integrity of infrastructure (availability):
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DNS and routing
Another directory workshop?
International (charsets & identifiers)
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this is a hot topic; lots of interest in doing it asap
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(week of 9/11? 9/18?)
Korea? Japan?
New topics:
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instant messaging
4. ICANN, PSO, IANA, etc.
Wide ranging discussions re. ongoing issues with ICANN, PSO, IANA, etc. were enjoyed by all.
Future Meetings
Regular teleconference second Monday of the month at 10:00 AM Eastern Time.
These minutes were prepared by Abel Weinrib