Minutes
IAB Teleconference
12 August 2003
ATTENDING
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Leslie Daigle — IAB Chair
Bernard Aboba
Rob Austein
Patrik Fältström
Sally Floyd
Mark Handley
Geoff Huston
Charlie Kaufman
James Kempf
Eric Rescorla
Mike St. Johns
Joyce Reynolds — Liaison from the RFC Editor
APOLOGIES
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Harald Alvestrand — IETF/IESG Chair
Jun-ichiro Itojun Hagino
Bert Wijnen — Liaison from the IESG
Lynn St. Amour — Liaison from ISOC
Vern Paxson — IRTF Chair
NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING
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Tuesday, 9 September 2003.
AGENDA
- Roll call, Agenda Bash and Previous Minutes
- Review of Action Items
- Review of Documents
- IAB Liaison Reports
- Updates from IETF Liaisons
- Review of proposal for IAB activities
- Review of draft-baker-liaisons document
- Review of proposal for scoped addressing architecture discussion forum
- Discussion of IAB Plenary meeting formats
- Other Business
NOTES
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Roll call, Agenda Bash and Previous Minutes
Minutes of the 7 July Teleconference were approved.
Minutes of the IETF 57 IAB Meeting were approved.
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Review of Action Items
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Review of Documents
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IAB Liaison Reports
- IESG has a small team that is currently testing online balloting tool. Should improve the quality and the speed of IESG balloting.
- IESG is internally discussing various ideas on reorganization of processes. As soon as there is reasonable consensus, the ideas are intended to show up as I-Ds.
- Currently there are two appeals on the IESG table:
- one by Todd Glassey, appealing Harald’s decision to suspend his posting rights to IPR WG mailing list (not yet on web site)
- one by Tony Hain, appealing the INT ADs for agreeing that the IPv6 WG chairs properly handled consensus forming to deprecate Site Local (on web site)
The IESG still needs to discuss both appeals.
- The IESG has agreed on a more streamlined process on how to ask architectural questions from IAB. This has been passed to the IAB for comment.
The IAB noted its general agreement with this proposal, with the understanding that if the IESG elected to nominate particular IAB members to undertake such activities, this would be interpreted as a recommendation to the IAB Chair.
- IESG and RFC-Editor have agreed to copy authors/editors when IESG sends a DNP (Do No Publish) advise to RFC-Editor for individual submissions coming in via RFC-Editor. This should make things yet more transparent.
- IESG discussed Eric’s “boxes and arrows” protocol models document and believe that this approach has merit.
The IAB will consider whether to develop this document in the context of an IAB document.
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The RFC Editor is now using Bill Fenner’s wdiff script. We are providing the three color diff to the authors during our AUTH48 process.
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The RFC Editor believes that 2223bis is ready for publication. We are waiting for final review and feedback from Harald and Leslie before we proceed. We feel that this document will always be a moving target and will never be complete. However, we would like to publish ASAP.
It should be noted that the RFC Editor would like to publish 2223bis as an Informational RFC, instead of a BCP, as stated in the Last Call. Through our liaison efforts with Harald, we have been discussing this change. The history of this document has always been an administrative one and we would like to continue to keep it at an informational level.
- No Items to Report
- No Items to Report
IESG
Rob Austein:, Bert Wijnen:RFC Editor
Joyce Reynolds:IRTF
Vern Paxson:ISOC
Lynn St Amour: -
Updates from IETF Liaisons
- It was reported that there is some consideration within the ITU-T on reviewing the number and focus areas of the Study Groups
- No Items to Report
- No Items to Report
- The ICANN Board has had two teleconferences, one to elect officers and create Board committees and one to discuss a non-technical matter relating to the terms and conditions of a TLD registry operation.
- No Items to Report
ITU-T
Scott Bradner:W3C
Leslie Daigle:ICANN – TLG
Geoff Huston:, Mike St JohnsICANN – Liaison to the Board
John Klensin:RSSAC
Rob Austein: -
WG Tracking
The IAB reviewed a proposal to circulate periodic updates on WG issues between IAB members. It was agreed to commence this by circulating post-IETF status reports within the IAB.
The IAB reviewed a proposal to track open architectural issues through the maintenance of a web-based resource page. This was adopted by the IAB and a page describing “Open Architectural Issues in the Development of the Internet” will be maintained by the IAB as a public resource.
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Review of draft-baker-liaisons document
The IAB reviewed the Internet Draft draft-baker-liaisons-00. The IAB noted a number of comments regarding the draft that will be communicated to the authors. The IAB also noted a number of procedural matters regarding the management of liaison activities and these matters will be raised with the IESG and the IETF Secretariat for further consideration.
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Review of proposal for scoped addressing architecture discussion forum
The IAB reviewed the draft charter for Scoped Address Architecture Discussion. The charter was approved and the forum will be established at the start of September.
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IAB Plenary meeting format
The IAB reviewed the Plenary format currently being used for IETF meetings. It was noted that there are a number of formal items of business in terms of reports that are included in the plenary agenda, as well as some effort to expose some aspects of protocol architecture that are anticipated to be of relatively general interest, as well as including time for feedback and comment from the IETF itself. Some alternative formats were discussed by the IAB, and these will be discussed with the IESG.
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Other Business
9.1 IPR Issues raised regarding RFC 3552
The IAB decided to pass the IAB’s response to David Jablon to the IPR WG for information. The IAB decided to take into consideration any consensus outcomes from the IPR WG, if the WG takes on this matter, in determining what advice should be offered regarding any further actions to remedy the complaint.
9.2 Followup with ISOC on organizational issues
The IAB approved the formation of an advisory committee to assist the chairs of the IETF and IAB in reviewing the organizational issues associated with the functions of the IETF.
IAB ACTIONS and DOCUMENTS
- IETF Protocol Parameter Registration
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Leslie Daigle, Harald Alvestrand
- A registry selection criteria and conditions document is to be drafted
[Feb-03]
current
Status: Followup actions after meeting with US DoC - DNS and IDN Document
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Rob Austein, Patrik Fältström, Geoff Huston
- Document on Internet Identity realms being drafted. A second document to answer the specific issues about IDN is needed.
[Feb-03]
current
Status: Coordinate IETF document between Ads and WGs - IAB input to Security Architecture
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James Kempf, Charlie Kaufman
- Collate initial responses from WG chairs, review and re-pose the question. Consider use of a Web page to gather responses.
[Mar-03]
current
Status: Identify particular issues relating to the interaction of their WG activities and security considerations - IAB Workshop on DOS Attacks
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Mark Handley
- Initial draft prepared for IAB review (http://www.icir.org/mjh/tmp/dos.txt, http://www.icir.org/mjh/tmp/dos.ps)
- IAB review to consider whether this is to be adopted as an IAB draft
[Mar-03]
current
Status: Initial scoping activity: a taxonomy paper on the various forms of attack. Also look at the role of a workshop and the potential players. - WG Status
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Leslie Daigle, All
- 2003-07-09-WG-tracking.html
- Document followup procedures
[May-03]
current
Status: Provide the IAB with periodic summaries of the current status of those working groups that they actively follow. - IANA instruction for IP6.ARPA
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Geoff Huston
- Advise RIRs that Patrik Fältström and Rob Austein should be involved in the RIR implementation, as IAB-nominated experts, to assist in the design.
[Jul-03]
current
Status: Draft instructions to IANA concerning instruction to delegate 2.0.0.2.IP6.ARPA to the RIRs - IAB Member details web page
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Geoff Huston
- Waiting bios from Harald, Rob and Mike
[Jul-03]
current
Status: Add an expanded members web page with affiliations, etc, to the IAB web site. - Address Architecture
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Mark Handley
[Jul-03]
current
Status: Summarize the issues raised at the Open Meeting - Address Architecture Discussion
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Eric Rescorla
- Mailing list to be set up at the start of September with charter as drafted
- ./working-docs/2003-08-14-SAddArchCharter.html
[Jul-03]
current
Status: Moderate a mailing list dedicated to followup on the address architecture topic - Liaison Statement Draft
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Geoff Huston
[Jul-03]
current
Status: draft IAB response to authors and IESG - IAB Mailer
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Leslie Daigle, Geoff Huston, Eric Rescorla
[Jul-03]
current
Status: Add virus scanner and some form of challenge/response gateway to IAB mailer to manage increasing spam volume - IAB Web Mail
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Geoff Huston
[Jul-03]
current
Status: Implement a web-based mail-deposit archive for IAB members - IAB Architectural Issues Web Page
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Sally Floyd
- http://www.icir.org/floyd/architecture.html
[Aug-03]
current
Status: Update current draft page for publication as part of the IAB Web pages - IPv6 Transition Security Issues
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Rob Austein
[Aug-03]
current
Status: Circulate IPv6 Transition Security Issues document to V6ops WG - IETF Plenary
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All
- IAB discussion in the 26th August telechat
- Leslie to pass to the IESG for review / comment and invite the IESG to a joint telechat session with the IAB on this topic.
[Aug-03]
current
Status: Geoff to draft a possible plenary structure (done) - Advisory Committee
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Leslie Daigle
[Aug-03]
current
Status: Form committee and report on progress to the IAB - Security Mechanisms for the Internet
draft-iab-secmech-03.txt-
Charlie Kaufman, Steve Bellovin
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[May-01]
RFC Editor
Status: RFC Editor Queue - A survey of Authentication Mechanisms
draft-iab-auth-mech-01.txt-
Eric Rescorla
- (current) IAB Last Call (Closes Aug 22)
- (next) IETF Call for Input
- (next) 02 rev
[Apr-02]
current
Status: Review - Internet Architecture and End-to-End
draft-iab-e2e-futures-03.txt-
James Kempf, Rob Austein
- (current) IAB Last Call
- (next) IETF Call for Input
- (next) 02 rev
[Jul-02]
current
Status: Review - Internationalized Resource Identifiers
draft-iab-char-rep-00.txt-
Leslie Daigle
- (current) Leslie to revise the draft
[Nov-02]
current
Status: Drafting - Service Identification in packets
draft-iab-service-considerations-02.txt-
Mike St Johns, Geoff Huston
- (current) 02 draft submitted with call for input comments included
- (next) submit 02 to RFC Editor
[Nov-02]
current
Status: RFC Editor Submission - Transport Controls for VOIP
draft-iab-congestion-00.txt-
Sally Floyd, James Kempf
- (current) review and discussion
- (next) awaiting Sally’s revision
[Nov-02]
current
Status: Review - IANA Definition
draft-iab-iana-02.txt-
Geoff Huston
- (current) revised per IAB comments
- (next) Review document progress in August
[Nov-02]
current
Status: Review - ISOC Trustee Appointment Process
draft-iab-isocbot-00.txt-
Leslie Daigle
- (current) BCP
[Nov-02]
IESG
Status: IESG - IAB Research Agenda
draft-iab-research-funding-01.txt-
Sally Floyd, Vern Paxson, Ran Atkinson, Mike St Johns, John Crowcroft
- (current) Document the need for funding for further research for the Internet, including documenting important topics for research.
- (next) The document under development covers the need for research in general and identifies specific areas of research.
- (next) Sally – feedback appreciate – there are as yet unwritten sections and assistance will be coopted
- (next) Bernard – wireless research is underfunded – will send mail
- (next) Sally – there is a commented out section referencing Rob on DNS
- (next) Patrik to write section on issues around address scoping and related routing and application interactions
- (next) IAB Last Call?
[Jul-02]
current
Status: Editing - IAB Overview
http://www.iab.org/connexions.html-
All
- (current) ekr to consider undertaking editor role.
- (next) ekr to be the editor
[Mar-03]
current
Status: IAB review – proposed updates requested - IAB Considerations on Discovery Mechanisms and IPv6
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Bernard Aboba, James Kempf
- (current) Redraft as a descriptive framework plus individual proposed contributions as desired
- (next) awaiting first draft from James
[Mar-03]
current
Status: Drafting - IAB Research Agenda – Operational Areas
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Geoff Huston, Rob Austein, James Kempf
- (current) Document the need for funding for further research for the Internet, including documenting important topics for research relating to operational activities
- (next) Document focusing on operational concerns.
[May-03]
current
Status: Drafting - Protocol Models
draft-rescorla-model-00.txt-
Eric Rescorla
- (current) Consider whether this would be developed as an IAB document
[May-03]
current
Status: Drafting
Actions
Documents
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