Minutes
IAB Teleconference

14 October 2003

ATTENDING

APOLOGIES

NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING

AGENDA

0. Roll call, Agenda Bash and Previous Minutes
1. Review of Action Items
2. Review of Documents
3. IAB Liaison Reports
4. Updates from IETF Liaisons
5. IAB Liaison to the Nomcom
6. IESG request re. draft-klensin-name-filters
7. Other recent requests for input
8. IETF Meeting preparation
9. Other Regular Business
10. Tony Hain appeal of IESG decision re. IPv6 Site Local Addresses

NOTES

0. Roll call, Agenda Bash and Previous Minutes

   Minutes of the 9 September Teleconference were approved.

1. Review of Action Items

   (see below)

2. Review of Documents

   (see below)

3. IAB Liaison Reports

   IESG
   Rob Austein:, Bert Wijnen:

   • Ongoing discussion on IETF reorganisation, with some progress. There has been a posting to problem statement WG and IETF list by Harald on this topic. IESG will have a face to face meeting on this topic on 21-22 October.

   • IESG has responded to Todd Glassey and Tony Hain appeals. In both cases IESG upheld the AD decisions.

   • IESG understands that the RFC-Editor is working on responding to various comments to draft-rfc-editor-rfc2223bis-07.txt, so it is waiting for RFC-Editor action.

   • Online ballot system is now operational, and first impressions are positive. There were a few small hiccups which caused some documents to not appear on agenda, delaying those documents by 2 weeks. This should not happen again (we expect).

   • IESG discussed approval of RFC2727bis and possible fast-track of same (started when Mike StJohns raised the issue of potential over-representation). The IESG has decided not to fast-track consideration of this document.

   • IESG discussed “what to do with requests for interoperability testing at IETF meetings”. Specifically the question on what we can allow on our live network at such meetings. Bill Fenner and Randy Bush are working on writing up a proposed policy, which will then be considered.

   • IESG discussed the issue of not getting timely and high quality minutes of IETF meetings that need to go in the proceedings. As a follow up a discussion is currently going on (initiated by Harald) on the WG chairs mailing list.

   RFC Editor
   Joyce Reynolds:

   • The RFC Editor held a teleconference with Harald, Leslie, and Lynn on Wednesday, October 8th.

   • Held up on experimenting with editing XML by pressure of documents to be published.

     Also, our solicitations to I* and the xml2rfc mailing lists for feedback on MTR-XML-produced nroff have not been very useful. We have had low response, even though we have been told that 30% of the community is using this XML.

     Meanwhile, the processing time for the RFC Editor can be reduced by those using xml2rfc by submitting nroff output from the tool.

     Joyce noted that the RFC Editor intends to post a request to authors to submit XML source, if they have one, in order to expedite the RFC Editing process. Consideration about publishing in other formats was not an active RFC Editor agenda topic at this point in time.

   • The RFC queue is growing, as we’ve recently had several bursts in protocol/document actions.

   • Starting to use the ABNF compiler. We have some suggestions for improvements. Found bugs in an earlier RFC’s ABNF (SDP) as well as in new documents.

   • Looking at an XML schema validator, for checking a 6+ page dense XML schema found in an RFC in the queue.

   IRTF
   Vern Paxson:

   • Avri Doria has taken over as chair of the Routing Research Group.

   • A new “IP Mobility Optimizations” research group is close to ready to go.

   • There is now an understanding with the I-D editor that draft- irtf-XXX submissions should have the approval of the chair of the XXX research group. I would also like to have an IRTF area in the I-D repository so it’s easy to find IRTF-related I-Ds.

     It was noted that this should be raised directly with the IETF Chair and the IETF Executive Director

   ISOC
   Lynn St Amour:

   • No items reported.

   IAB Advisory Committee
   Leslie Daigle:

   • The Advisory Committee is currently working to a reporting date of the November IETF meeting.

4. Updates from IETF Liaisons

   ITU-T
   Scott Bradner:

   • The IAB has been updated on the current activity associated with the World Summit for the Information Society (WSIS), including the current WSIS Action Plan.

   • Issue of joint standards with ITU-T, TSAG and IETF has arisen again, requiring further review and discussion.

   W3C
   Leslie Daigle:

   • The W3C-IETF coordination group met (by teleconference) on October 8. Notes/minutes of the meeting will be posted, as usual, to the IETF liaison statement web page (http://www.ietf.org/IESG/liaison.html).

   • Highlights, requiring further discussion (in the coordination group, or in other fora):

     1. Appropriate ways to reference media type registrations in a persistent fashion (the W3C has draft-connolly-w3c- accessible- registries as a proposal); IETF folks on the call expressed concern about the requirement of declaring the iana.org domain as fixed, and pointed to the IANA URN namespace (in RFC-Ed queue, draft-mealling-iana-urn-04.txt). There are concerns that dereferencing mechanisms are not in place for these. Dan Connolly et al will pursue publication of their document,

     2. URI scheme types (specifically, recent proposals for “INFO” and “DOI” URI schemes). There are some community concerns of the appropriateness of these and other impending URI schemes; this matter will be taken to the W3C URI Coordination Group (which includes IETF URI designated experts).

   ICANN – TLG
   Geoff Huston:, Mike St Johns

   • No Items to Report

   ICANN – Liaison to the Board
   John Klensin:

   • A number of queries have been preferred to the IAB through the liaison to the ICANN Board.

   • ICANN consideration of redemption grace period. Is there any technical input from IAB, and does the IAB wish to be represented on the RGP Phase II Technical Steering Group?

     The IAB had no technical issues to raise on this topic and did not feel it to be appropriate to be represented on this Steering Group.

   • The IAB was briefed on the current status of reassignment of country codes. The IAB noted that recent actions by ICANN were consistent with the view that the acceptance of the country code DNS Top Level Domain accepted the ccTLD list as a valid application of the code system implies that a much longer waiting/reuse period than five years is now appropriate.

   RSSAC
   Rob Austein:

   • It was reported that RSSAC is working on a set of criteria to use to chose among the root ops who wish to add AAAA RRs for their servers (working under the constraint that current theory says there’s room for two AAAA RRs without being disruptive in any way, but no more than two).

5. IAB Liaison to the Nomcom

   The IAB nominated Geoff Huston to serve as IAB liaison to the IETF Nomcom.

6. IESG request re. draft-klensin-name-filters

   On Oct 2 the IETF Chair forwarded a question from the IESG, relating to draft-klensin-name-filters. The IESG summarized the question as: “What issues should be considered when deciding when and how to apply validity checks for protocol processing not conducted by the application applying the validity check?” (IESG Query)

   The IAB nominated Patrik Faltstrom as the lead to respond to this query, assisted by Rob Austein.

7. Other recent requests for input

   • The IAB discussed a possible statement, specifically intended for the operational community, on the topic of filtering traffic as AS boundaries.

     A draft of such a statement will be considered by the IAB.

   • Pekka Savola has asked the IAB for documentation on “why the use of RFC1918 addressing is not necessarily the best of ideas”.

     The IAB will respond noting earlier IAB activities in consideration of private addresses and NATS, and current activities in consideration of scoped address architectures.

   • Donald Eastlake has proposed an IETF effort to record country code assignments as used by the top level of the DNS.

     The IAB has noted that ISO have clarified their position regarding public availability and royalty-free use of these codes, and the IAB is of the view that these clarifications are consistent with the use of these codes within Internet protocol parameter assignment functions. (IAB Correspondance)

8. IETF Meeting preparation

   The IAB is planning to undertake a series on updates to the IAB’s Open Architectural Issues Resource page based on information gathered at the November IETF WG sessions.

   The next IAB telechat will be scheduled on the 4th November, intended to consider business matters prior to the IETF meeting.

   A joint IESG / IAB meeting is to be scheduled for the morning of Sunday, 9th November, to consider the Advisory Committee’s report.

   The IETF Plenary sessions are to be scheduled with the plenary session on the 12th (Wednesday) planned as a joint IESG / IAB open meeting with status reports and an open microphone session. The session for the 13th (Thursday) is planned to be a combination of presentation on the IETF reform activities and some technical material.

9. Other Regular Business

   Mike St Johns reported on the ICANN SECSAC committee hearing on the Verisign wildcard deployment.

   It was noted that while there is continuing activity in the discovery and documentation of various consequences, there was no request for further IAB comment on this matter at this point in time.

   The IAB noted a Verisign Press Release that had a heading of a response to the IAB document. The IAB determined not to engage in an exchange of press releases

   [Liaisons and IETF Chair left the meeting at this point]

10. Tony Hain appeal of IESG decision re. IPv6 Site Local Addresses

    The IAB commenced consideration of the Tony Hain appeal.

IAB ACTIONS and DOCUMENTS

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