Minutes
IAB Teleconference

10 February 2004

ATTENDING

APOLOGIES

NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING

AGENDA

0. Roll call, Agenda Bash and Previous Minutes
1. Review of Action Items
2. Review of Documents
3. IAB Liaison Reports
4. Updates from IETF Liaisons
5. IEEE 802 liaison
6. Planning for IETF
7. ISOC Governance Committee
8. Review of W3C TAG document
9. Clarifying ENUM instructions
10. Other Regular Business
    • Liasion Arrangement Updates:
      

      Open Mobile Alliance
      Global Grid Forum
      ANSI

    • ISOC Trustee Selection update

NOTES

0. Roll call, Agenda Bash and Previous Minutes

   Minutes of the 13 January Teleconference were approved.

1. Review of Action Items

   (see below)

2. Review of Documents

   (see below)

3. IAB Liaison Reports

   IESG
   Rob Austein:, Bert Wijnen:

   • The IESG has posted a draft “spam policy” to WG chairs list. After quick review there (with possible updates to text), the idea is to then post it as the new policy and if the IETF community comes back with issues/concerns, we will have to address those at that time.

   • Reform activities:

     • PROTO-TEAM has been established
     • LICAR WG has been approved.
     • MPOWR still under discussion.
     • NEWTRK WG has also been approved.

   • Yearly IESG retreat is planned for March 29-April 1st at ISI.

   RFC Editor
   Joyce Reynolds:

   • The RFC Editor has prepared a set of RFC Editor rules on how to implement BCP 78
     (RFC 3667),
     BCP 79 (RFC 3668) and RFC 3669
     (draft-ietf-ipr-submission-rights-08.txt, draft-ietf-ipr-technology-rights-12.txt, and draft-ietf-ipr-wg-guidelines-05.txt).

     They will be posted on the RFC Editor web site and relayed to the IETF Secretariat so that they may update their website and pertinent files.

   • The RFC Editor has set up and announced a new mailing list, rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org, as a home for discussions particularly related to the functions and procedures of the RFC Editor.

   • RFC Editor has been in discussions with the IESG w.r.t. the IESG’s role in reviewing RFC Editor documents. It is not an easy topic to resolve. The IESG and RFC Editor will continue to collaborate and continue this thread at the Seoul IETF and at the IESG Retreat at the end of March.

   • The RFC Editor is processing more documents using XML submissions to generate nroff.

   • The recent document flood is growing the queue (http://www.rfc-editor.org/queue-stats/). The RFC Editor has increased editor level of effort to respond.

   • The RFC Editor has added a search function to errata web page (http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata.html).

   The IAB discussed a proposal to include an additional field in the XML version of the RFC Index, namely a field that named the IETF Working Group where the document was developed, or “Individual Submission” if the document was not the product of an IETF Working Group. The IAB would like the RFC Editor to consider implementation of this proposal, subject to favourable review from the IESG.

   It was noted that the RFC Editor is able to accept nroff and xml source, and the edit function is currently undertaken on the nroff version of the document. The IAB recommended that some further consideration be given to editing xml source documents in xml.

   IRTF
   Vern Paxson:

   • A new charter for the Routing Research Group is under review.

   • A new charter for the Ad Hoc Network Systems subgroup of the Routing RG is under review.

   • Pending discussions at the forthcoming Seoul IETF meeting, it is anticipated that a Research Group(s) will be chartered to investigate aspects of separating communciation endpoint identifiers from communication locators. This may take the form of a single RG looking fairly broadly at the topic, or a single RG looking primarily at aspects of the HIP architecture in this context, or two RGs, one broad and one HIP-specific.

   ISOC
   Lynn St Amour:

   • ISOC Governance Committee

     Details of this ISOC Committee have been passed to the IAB. ISOC will be participating in the following meetings:

     • ITU Workshop on Governance – Feb 26th & 27th – http://www.itu.int/osg/spu/forum/intgov04
     • Global Forum organized by the United Nations Information and Communication Technologies Task Force (UNICT) – 25-26 March 2004.

     Both of these meetings are in response to the Plan of Action adopted at the Geneva phase of WSIS where it was requested that the United Nations Secretary-General “set up a working group on Internet governance, in an open and inclusive process that ensures a mechanism for the full and active participation of governments, the private sector and civil society from both developing and developed countries, involving relevant intergovernmental and international organizations and forums, to investigate and make proposals for action, as appropriate, on the governance of Internet by 2005.” Among the principal issues that the group will address are a working definition of Internet governance, identification of relevant public policy issues and the roles and responsibilities of different stakeholders.

   • In support of these discussions ISOC is also dedicating a portion of our annual INET conference to an Internet Governance Track. See http://www.isoc.org/inet04/ for general information and http://www.isoc.org/isoc/conferences/inet/04/gov.shtml
     for the Internet Governance track. A more detailed program will be available in the coming weeks.

   Administrative Restructuring
   Leslie Daigle:

   • 3 individual submissions have been submitted to the Internet Drafts editor, and will be presented and discussed in Plenary at IETF 59 (draft-daigle-adminrest-00.txt, draft-alvestrand-adminrest-motivation-00.txt, draft-alvestrand-ietf-mission-00.txt).

4. Updates from IETF Liaisons

   ITU-T
   Scott Bradner:

   • No items reported

   W3C
   Leslie Daigle:

   • The IETF/W3C coordination group had a teleconference on Friday, February 6, 2004. Minutes will be published to the IETF liaison web page.

   • Highlights included discussion of how to better coordinate our work efforts and meeting schedules. Also, Dan Connolly asked that the IAB offer comments on the W3C Technical Architecture Group’s report (last call ends March 5, 2004).

   ICANN – TLG
   Geoff Huston:, Mike St Johns

   • No items reported

   ICANN – Liaison to the Board
   John Klensin:

   • No items reported

   RSSAC
   Rob Austein:

   • No items reported

5. IEEE 802 liaison

   Members of the IAB, IESG and others met with the IEEE 802, IEEE 802.1 and IEEE 802.11 leadership in Vancouver in January 2004.

   Presentations summarizing the IETF/IEEE 802 liaison meetings are:

   • IEEE 802/IETF meeting
   • IEEE 802.1/IETF meeting

   In addition to these two meetings, the group also had a meeting with Stuart Kerry of IEEE 802.11 to discuss new work relating to both IETF and 802.11, including the proposed charter of the IETF CAPWAP WG, work on EAP-based network discovery (which overlaps with the potential IEEE 802.11 Internetworking Study Group), and work on RADIUS WLAN attributes. Bernard Aboba will post minutes from that meeting shortly.

   Action items arising from these meetings are:

   1. Cross posting of new work notices. Bert Wijnen and Tony Jeffree took the action item to work this out, looking at a mechanism for mutual notification for new work items.
   2. Appointment of a “default” liaison from IETF to IEEE 802. IEEE 802 appointed a “default” liaison to IETF: Tony Jeffree. The IAB will need to appoint a default liaison the other way.
   3. Scheduling coordination. IEEE 802 is to send a list of future scheduled 802 meetings to the IETF Secretariat.
   4. IEEE 802 is to send a memo to the IAB granting access to IEEE 802 archives to IETF WG chairs making a request.

   One as yet unresolved item is the preparation of a detailed proposal on how to deal with situations in which the “joint participation” model is challenged. The two major examples are: MIBs and AAA attribute work. A proposal was put together at the IEEE 802.1/IETF meeting in Vancouver, but there are still some details to be nailed down. Owners are Dan Romascanu, Bernard Aboba, Bert Wijnen, other interested IESG members.

   The meetings were considered to be very helpful. The potential liaison areas are larger than originally anticipated. The concept of using default liaisons at an organizational level is considerd to be a useful approach. The sentiment voiced at the meeting was to allow individual activities to be tracked at the wg level, and have the default liaisons involved in an as-needed basis.

   In considering this, the IAB indicated agreement to capture the outcomes from these meetings within some documented structure.

   The IAB nominated Bernard Aboba to be the default liaison from the IETF to IEEE 802.

6. Planning for IETF 59

   The IAB considered a schedule for IAB activities at IETF 59.

   The IAB considered the current status of the identifier / locator consideration and the relationship of this with current IETF and proposed IRTF activities. It was agreed that an issues document would be drafted and this would form the base of the IAB’s further consideration of this at the Tuesday evening technical discussion.

7. ISOC Governance Committee

   The CEO of ISOC described the formation of the ISOC Governance Committee to the IAB, and sought the participation of the IAB Chair as a member of this committee.

   It was envisaged that this Committee would provide input to ISOC’s directions, position statements, and related activities with respect to the ongoing consideration of Internet Governance matters and the WSIS activity. It was noted that the decision for ISOC’s policies would remain with ISOC and each committee member would be free to support (or not) any points or positions at any point in time. It would be led by the ISOC President and any new ISOC positions would be vetted ultimately by the ISOC Board. It was anticipated that the committee would lend depth, breadth and increased legitimacy to ISOC and ISOC’s activities in WSIS (as well as to the other organizations participating on this Committee.

   The IAB supported the IAB Chair taking a position on this committee.

8. Review of W3C TAG document

   The IAB agreed to a request to review an initial W3C draft of a document describing the architecture of the World Wide Web

9. Cleaning up ENUM instructions

   The IAB considered the instructions issued to the RIPE NCC concerning the management of the e164.arpa domain, as further questions have been raised regarding potential delegation of codes within regional numbering plans.

   The IAB determined not to take any further action at this point in time on the matter.

10. Other Regular Business

    • Liasion Arrangement Updates:
      

      Open Mobile Alliance

      Further discussion will take place with the OMA following identification of the appropriate individual to participate on behalf on the OMA.

      Global Grid Forum

      Articulation of the areas of mutual interest between the IETF and the GGF has commenced. Other liaison activities will be considered once the list of work areas has been completed.

      ANSI

      A conference call has been scheduled for the 11th February to undertake initial discussions with ANSI. Leslie, James and Geoff to participate in the call for the IAB.

    • ISOC Trustee Selection update
      

      5 Nominations have been confirmed. An announcement will be posted to the IETF Announce list seeking comment o the nominated individuals. The IAB selection has a deadline of March 5.

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