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IAB Teleconference

November 1, 2006

1. Rollcall, Agenda Bash, Approval of Minutes, Administrivia

1.1 Agenda

  1. Rollcall, Agenda Bash, Minutes
  2. RFC Editor question about submissions coming out of working groups
  3. Experimental Congestion Control?
  4. Liaison Discussion/Appointments
  5. IETF Preparation
  6. Review of Specific Actions
  7. Review of Specific Documents
  8. AOB
  9. JFC Morfin Appeal

1.2 Attendance

Bernard Aboba
Loa Andersson
Leslie Daigle — IAB Chair
Elwyn Davies
Olaf Kolkman
Kurtis Lindqvist
David Meyer
David Oran
Eric Rescorla
Dave Thaler
Lixia Zhang
Dan Romascanu — Liaison from the IESG
Sandy Ginoza — Liaison from the RFC Editor
Aaron Falk — IRTF Chair
Brian Carpenter — IETF Chair
Phil Roberts — IAB Executive Director

Kevin Fall
Lynn St. Amour — Liaison from ISOC

Approval of Minutes

Approved minutes of October 25 business meeting.

2. RFC Editor question about submissions coming out of working groups

The RFC Editor requested advice from the IAB about how to handle individual submissions from that came out of working groups but that working groups chose not to publish as products of the working groups. Brian called attention to
but according to Bob Braden it doesn’t cover this case. The IAB discussed several issues with these sorts of documents including 1) how to accurately record information about the status of the documents 2) what standard of technical review these receive or not and 3) how to go about getting the technical review. Regarding 1) if the RFC editor is going to publish such a document it is important to record whether there were technical reasons it wasn’t chosen and what those are; and it is important also to make clear the actual status of the document with respect to the IETF process. The specific documents in question are protocol proposals to CAPWAP that were not chosen. Bob Braden agreed to propose some text to the WG chairs of CAPWAP about how to handle the specific documents. The larger discussion will be held on the independent mailing list. Leslie agreed to forward some text she put together some time ago.

3. Deployment of experimental congestion control?

Lars requested guidance from the IAB on the issue of when it is appropriate to enable experimental congestion control mechanisms in the Internet. Lars Eggert proposes to have a meeting at IETF 67 to discuss how to handle this. The IAB agreed to let Lars know that a few IAB members will be at the meeting in IETF 67 and to decide whether there needs to be a broader IAB action after assessing the discussion at the meeting.

4. Liaison discussion / appointments

Mark Townsley helped create a document describing a liaison relationship with cable labs. Dave Oran agreed to review the document and carry the action for the IAB on whether to set up such a liaison.

5. IETF preparation

The IAB discussed preparations for the technical plenary and making sure the various proposed BOFs have IAB coverage.

6. Review of Specific Actions

  • Use of draft-tracker for IAB documents

    The IAB discussed whether depending more on the draft tracker for administration of its documents is a worthwhile endeavor. The topic needs some research. Phil, Dan, and Leslie agreed to meet to discuss during IETF-67.

  • ICANN nomcom appointment

    The IAB needs to appoint a member of the ICANN nomcom. This is an important job, especially this year, when the ICANN NomCom has to fill slots being left by ICANN Board Chair and very IETF-aware board member, Vint Cerf.. The IAB agreed to discuss some possible candidates during IETF-67.

(See Appendix A)

7. Review of Documents

  • IAB document now for DNS wildcards?

    The IAB discussed whether there have been enough occasions now to warrant the publication of an IAB document on this topic. Recently there was some discussion on the IETF list about recursive servers and a wireless ISP that changes answers on the fly. We might also want to capture this together with the sitefinder doc in an RFC. Olaf will report after IETF.

  • new document on TCP behavior with anycast/mobility?

    Kurtis has the token to produce a proposal on this

  • Fred Baker’s multihoming scalability doc?

    Fred requested feedback from the IAB on this document. Kurtis and Dave Meyer will attend the v6 ops meeting on Monday and report on the discussion there.

  • Olaf’s document on appeal support

    The IAB discussed this document and agreed it is better for it not to be an IAB document but if the document gains traction within the community the IAB will consider whether it is important for it to provide a formal review.

(See Appendix B)

8. AOB


9. JFC Morfin Appeal

The IAB entered executive session to discuss the JFC Morfin appeal.

Appendix A – Action Items

IAOC Appointment

Assigned to: Phil Roberts
Initiated: February 2006
Goal: Handle the IAB’s appointment to the IAOC, per RFC 4333.
Old Status: Phil agreed to produce proposed timelines of this and the ISOC BoT appointments.
New Status: IAOC appointment timeline agreed to. Next step, send out announcement of the selection process.

ISOC BoT Appointment

Assigned to: Phil Roberts
Initiated: September 2006
Goal:Handle the IAB’s appointment to the ISOC Board of Trustees
Status:Proposed timeline sent to ML with comments requested.

Workshop on Bad Traffic

Assigned to: Leslie Daigle, etc
Initiated: October 2005
Goal: Hold an IAB workshop on Unwanted Traffic.
Old Status: Minutes circulated. Next step: Loa & Lixia to draft report.
New Status: draft-00 of workshop report published

Mobility Document or other

Assigned to: Lixia Zhang
Initiated: May 2006
Goal: Review the status of mobility issues and propose an IAB-sized piece to tackle (if any).

IAB RAW Workshop

Assigned to: DMM
Initiated: March 2006
Goal: To have a workshop to address routing issues in the Internet
Old Status: DMM and Lixia will prepare a proposal on goals, topics, and agenda by 9/13/2006.
New Status: Workshop held, draft report in progress

RAW Workshop Report

Assigned to: DMM
Initiated: Sep 2006
Goal: To produce a report on the workshop in a timely manner
Status: Initiated

RAW Workshop Wiki

Assigned to: Phil
Initiated: September 2006
Goal: To have a wiki that workshop participants can use in prepartiong for the upcoming workshop.
Old Status:Henrik set up a private wiki on tools, Phil will talk to Henrik about its use next week
New Status:Workshop wiki in use by workshop participants

Data Tracker for IAB docs

Assigned to: Phil
Initiated: October 2006
Goal: Produce a plan in November; complete execution in December

Appendix B – Document Status

Design Choices When Expanding DNS

Assigned to: Olaf Kolkman, Patrik Faltstrom
Initiated: June 2004
Old status: Olaf and PAF will make a final review.

A survey of Authentication Mechanisms

Assigned to: Eric Rescorla
Initiated: April 2002
Old Status: Comments from Sam & others received.

Untangling Activeware

Assigned to: Lixia Zhang and Dave Oran
Initiated: April 2004
Old status: Dave Oran and Lixia agreed to renew this effort.

Architectural Implications of Link Layer Indications

Assigned to: Bernard Aboba
Initiated: June 2004
Old status: -05 submitted with comments incorporated.

GSE History

Assigned to: Lixia Zhang
Initiated: December 2005
Old status: Article for IETF Journal produced, Lixia will convert that into an I-D form.

Link Layers Supporting Multiple Encapsulations

Assigned to: Bernard Aboba
Initiated: April 2006
Old Status: Version -02 published. Feedback received from IEEE 802.1 & 802.16 (all positive so far).

The RFC Series and the RFC Editor

Assigned to: Leslie Daigle
Initiated: April 2006
Old status: Version -01 published.
New status: Last call will be sent.

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