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1. Roll-call, agenda-bash, approval of minutes, administrivia

1.1. Agenda

1.2. Attendance


Stuart Cheshire
Sandy Ginoza (RFC Editor Liaison)
Russ Housley (IETF Chair)
Olaf Kolkman (IAB Chair)
Gregory Lebovitz
Barry Leiba
Andy Malis
Lynn St. Amour (ISOC Liaison)
Dow Street (IAB Executive Director)
Dave Thaler
Lixia Zhang


Loa Anderson (IAB Liaison to the IESG)
Gonzalo Camarillo
Lars Eggert (IESG Liaison to the IAB)
Aaron Falk (IRTF Chair)
Kurtis Lindqvist
Danny McPherson
David Oran

1.3. Meeting Minutes

No final meeting minutes were reviewed during this call.

2. Liaison Reports

2.1. ISOC Liaison

Olaf drew attention to an upcoming ITU IPv6 meeting in Geneva:

The meeting was purposefully scheduled to align with a meeting of
developing countries also taking place in Geneva. Russ was invited
to speak at the meeting, but declined the offer due to its focus on
address allocation, and the corresponding likelihood that the
discussion will be of a predominantly political nature. At least
one RIR also declined for similar reasons. Phil Roberts is
planning to attend for ISOC. There is a call with Phil tomorrow to
coordinate on the matter.

Due to a schedule conflict, Lynn did not join the meeting until
later in the call (and did not have anything further to report).

(no ISOC Liaison written report was submitted)

2.2. RFC Editor Liaison

Sandy introduced the material in her written report; there were no
questions from the board.

(begin RFC Editor Liaison written report)

RFC Editor Report to the IAB

1. We have hired a new editor: Stacy Burns.
She started as a full-time employee 4 August 2008.

2. At IETF 72, we participated in 2 tutorials on Sunday.

- "Document Lifecycle" with Margaret Wasserman. There were about 70 
attendees.  The slides are posted here:

- "Intro to xml2rfc" with Bill Fenner. There were about 15 
attendees.  The slides are posted here:

3. We have added a new feature to "RFC Editor - Current Queue 
Summary", which gets sent to you weekly.  The last section of this 
report "####   Cluster Definitions   ####" is new.  It identifies 
clusters of documents (only those that can be identified by 
normative references) with a unique identifier number, and shows 
the current status of the individual drafts.  Note that NR means 
"not received", which means that the I-D is not currently in the 
RFC Editor queue for processing.

(end RFC Editor Liaison written report)

2.3. IESG Liaison

Lars was not on the IAB call due to a schedule conflict (SIGCOMM).
Gregory asked about the Todd Glassey issue, and Olaf noted that
there had not yet been an appeal filed with the IAB, leading the
group to cut off further discussion. Russ stated simply that the
IESG is currently working on its appeal response, which should be
approved within the next week.

(begin IESG Liaison written report)

IESG Liaison Report to the IAB

1. The IESG had only one formal telechat since Dublin. Due to the 
vacation time, many folks were absent and there was no quorum, 
which means that document actions and management items will need to 
be approved on the mailing list.

2. The IESG has been discussing its response to the appeal from 
Todd Glassey (see
2008-07-28.txt) on his suspension from posting to the IPR Working 
Group (WG) mailing list.

3. We've been preparing an IESG statement on interim IETF Working 
Group meetings, conference calls, and jabber sessions that should 
be announced shortly.

4. The v4-v6 coexistence interim dates has now firmed up to October 
1-3, though it will probably still shrink to October 1-2. The 
location is Montreal, CA. All this is subject to confirmation once 
we get the host to say yes, secretary to find hotels, etc.

(end IESG Liaison written report)

2.4. IRTF Chair

Aaron was not on the IAB call due to a schedule conflict (SIGCOMM).

(no IRTF Chair written report was submitted)

3. Architecture Topics Status

At this point in the meeting the IAB conducted a status update on
the five architecture topics.

3.1. User Control of Traffic

Dave Oran is the primary point of contact for this item, but was
not on the call due to a schedule conflict. Gregory asked whether
the combined scope of the TANA and ALTO efforts, as discussed at
the recent IETF, essentially cover this architecture topic. There
was consensus that this was the right question to ask, though the
group did not yet have a clear answer to the question. It was
agreed that the question should be presented to the INT area (and
possibly other lists), but that additional context and background
would be needed when the question was posed. Gregory will raise
the question for further maturation on the internal IAB list, and
Olaf will ping Dave Oran on the topic.

Gregory also suggested drafting a document that talks about the
different pieces of the architecture, and how the TANA and ALTO
work fit in. Olaf thought the idea had merit, but encouraged
Gregory to take the idea to Dave Oran as the lead for this topic
(in an effort to distribute ownership of specific IAB work items).

3.2. IPv6 and Firewalls

There was a previous action for all board members to provide input
on this topic, and Stuart reported that he had so far received
comments from Gregory and Dow. Stuart plans to assemble the
material into a draft in the coming week, and the board was
encouraged to pass along additional examples of IPv6 erosion.

The discussion then turned briefly to the email internationalization
tests, which was subsequently added to the agenda of the 3 September

3.3. Securing Inter-domain Routing

Danny is the primary point of contact for this item, but was not on
the call due to a schedule conflict. Lixia and Gregory have been
coordinating with Danny on the topic, and Gregory noted that the
work had been broken into two primary pieces: securing the routing
protocol information itself, and securing the transport of update
messages. He has been working with Eric Rescorla on the latter
part, and the plan is to write a draft to help break the stalemate
between the routing and security ADs.

Danny was left with the existing action to talk with Lixia, Kurtis,
and Gregory to determine an IAB plan of action on the first part
of the problem. Work on securing BGP has been progressing in the
SIDR WG and other forums, but a clear set of next-steps in this
area for the IAB has not yet been identified.

3.4. Peer-to-Peer Architectures

Gonzalo had previously distributed the P2P Architectures draft, and
board members were requested to read it and provide comments.
Gonzalo also missed the call due to a schedule conflict, so no
further status was reported.

3.5. Evolution of the IP Model

The group has been providing comments on the IP Model to Dave
Thaler, and Olaf reminded everyone of the 27 August techchat on
this topic. In order to prepare for that meeting, Olaf suggested
that this topic be considered the highest priority technical item
for the coming week. Dave added that there is guidance that the
IAB needs to come up with, such as the RFC 1958 example of using
names rather than direct address references. Dave will be giving a
talk on this topic at the SIGCOMM mobility workshop (Friday, 8/22).
That session should provide an opportunity for additional feedback
on the work from outside the IAB proper.

4. RFC Editor Model

Olaf reported that he had received more feedback on the RFC Editor
model after the IETF meeting. He also specifically contacted
Scott Bradner and John Klensin and both provided input (though not
all of it was on the public list), and Olaf is in the process of
sorting through all the comments and revising the description. So
far it has been hard to pull clear consensus from the various
public and private discussions.

One aspect of the model that has received a fair amount of
attention is the relationship between the RFC Editor function and
the Production House. It seems that a tight coupling between these
functions is important, and could warrant strong guidance for the
IAOC to consider this interface when implementing the model.

Russ asked if we were on schedule in defining the model. Olaf felt
the basic model definition was on track, but that the glue between
the functions needed more discussion. He will collect the latest
comments and attempt to drive consensus on a description over the
coming week.

5. IPv6 Plenary Call to Action

At the last business call it was decided to draft an ‘IPv6 Call to
Action’ email as a follow-up to the technical plenary, to encourage
further deployment of IPv6. Based on this plan, Gregory had
written a draft email, and the board spent some time discussing the
style and content of the message. One of the message themes is
“individual actions make a difference”, but there was also some
concern raised about sounding too evangelistic.

Lixia noted a passage in the draft that referenced IPv6 software
maturity, and added that the perceived maturity level varies
considerably depending on who you talk to. In particular, IPv6
implementations are surely not as mature as IPv4 software, which
has been refined over 20-30 years, but as Stuart commented, it is
more mature than much of the software shipping in our industry. It
was decided to emphasize the stability of IPv6 implementations in
leading operating systems and network devices.

Lynn noted that ISOC can complement the IAB work by building on the
message, tracking deployment successes, etc. After further
discussion there was agreement to draft a more concise message;
final text will be refined on the IAB mailing list. The message
will also remind the community of the ipv6-adoption mailing list,
which is run by the IAB for collecting v6 deployment experiences.

6. Headers and Boilerplates

Olaf reported that there are a lot of questions on the document
that he is still trying to address. He needs to talk to Leslie,
and there may be a few items that need answers from the community.
This document goes hand-in-hand with the IRTF Stream document and
3932bis. Russ sent an updated 3932bis draft yesterday that
incorporates all the comments inputs received to date. Olaf will
have a new version of the H&B draft done shortly.


ICANN reviews its organization on a regular basis, and solicits
input other groups within the Internet community. Olaf has been
coordinating with Steve Crocker on a request for review of the
ICANN Security and Stability Advisory Committee (SSAC). Danny is
a regular member of the SSAC, and Olaf has been a member before.

Per Olaf’s suggestion, the board decided to make Danny the SSAC
point of contact. Since he was not on the call, Olaf will ask
Danny about taking over this role. There was no other immediate
action with respect to the SSAC for the IAB as a whole.

8. Action Items Status

8.1 Anycast

(no update)

8.2 Infrastructure ENUM

The plan is to pick this up again in the September or October
timeframe, as the next SG2 meeting is not until March of next year.

8.3 ICANN NomCom

The IAB had previously decided to use an ad-hoc approach to
selecting the ICANN NomCom participant. As such, Olaf will mark
this action item as completed.

9. Document Status

9.1 What Makes for a Successful Protocol

This document is now an RFC. Dave Thaler will update the status on
the IAB’s document tracking page.

9.2. Principles of Internet Host Configuration

Dave has received some comments on the latest draft, including a
review by Alfred Hoenes. The document is in IAB last call, and is
almost ready for a wider review. Dave will wait for a few more
days, and once he receives comments from Stuart he will send it to
the RFC Editor for community comments.

9.3. Design Choices When Expanding DNS

Olaf stated that this document needs another spin. He distributed
version 07 after the IETF meeting, and has some open nits to fix.
He also received comments today from Alfred.

9.4. DNS Synthesis Concerns

No change in status; this document remains in Olaf’s queue, but is
a lower priority.

9.5. Survey of Authentication Mechanisms

Gregory reported that the status of this document had not changed,
but it is still on his task list. Lixia and Dave Thaler agreed
that the document was important, although not particularly urgent.

9.6. Evolution of the IP Model

This draft will be reviewed at the techchat next week.

9.7. Design Considerations for Protocol Extensions

Stuart holds the pen on this document, but has not yet revised the
draft. He will update the status on the IAB tracking list.

10. Short Action Items Review

This was a quick administrative run-through of the short action
items list.

11. Conclude Call