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Minutes IAB Teleconference 2008-09-17

1. Roll-call, agenda-bash, approval of minutes, administrivia

1.1. Agenda

A short discussion on Internationalizing Domain Names was added to
the end of the agenda.

1.2. Attendance


Loa Anderson (IAB Liaison to the IESG)
Gonzalo Camarillo
Stuart Cheshire
Aaron Falk (IRTF Chair)
Sandy Ginoza (RFC Editor Liaison)
Russ Housley (IETF Chair)
Olaf Kolkman (IAB Chair)
Gregory Lebovitz
Barry Leiba
Kurtis Lindqvist
David Oran
Lynn St. Amour (ISOC Liaison)
Dow Street (IAB Executive Director)
Dave Thaler
Lixia Zhang


Lars Eggert (IESG Liaison to the IAB)
Andy Malis
Danny McPherson


1.3. Review and Approval of Final Meeting Minutes

The following final minutes were approved during this meeting:

2008-03-26 Minutes
2008-04-02 Minutes
2008-04-16 Minutes
2008-08-27 Minutes

The executive director will publish these minutes to the IAB web

2. Liaison Reports [10 min]

2.1. ISOC Liaison

Lynn noted that the joint lunch between the IAB and the ISOC BoT
has been scheduled for the week of IETF. She also highlighted a
few other items from the written report.

(begin ISOC liaison written report)

I – A lunch meeting is being organized for IAB, IESG, IAOC and ISOC
Board members on Friday, November 21st, 2008. Need to finalize
“invites” with Russ, Olaf, Jonne, etc.

II – ISOC (Leslie Daigle and Lynn St.Amour) will be participating
at the ITU’s Global Standards Symposium (GSS)
( and the World
Telecommunication Standardization Assembly (WTSA)
( in Johannesburg, SA in October.

Leslie has a speech at the GSS on October 20th
(see: 15:40 –
17:20 session) which will focus on the Internet model and approach
to standards, openness, mechanisms for engagement, etc. We will
be distributing various fact sheets and meeting with regional and
national delegations, concentrating on the areas mentioned above.

(end ISOC liaison written report)

2.2. RFC Editor Liaison

Sandy reported that the ISSN is now on the website, but has not yet
been added to documents. The Editor also installed a new queue
page, and Sandy requested feedback on the revised functionality.

(begin RFC Editor liaison written report)

RFC Editor Report to the IAB

– The ISSN number for the RFC series (ISSN 2070-1721) is now
displayed on the main RFC Editor web page.

Placement of the ISSN number in the RFCs is TBD.

– We have installed a new queue page at:

The major features are as follows:

(1) The grouping of drafts in the queue now reflects the actual
document streams — IETF (4 groups), IRTF, IAB, and
independent submissions.

(2) A search capability will take you right to the draft(s) whose
queue status you want to know.

(3) It now returns HTTP hyperlinks, not FTP hyperlinks, to Internet
Draft text.

(4) It has a link to a search engine that returns the RFC Editor state
change histories of all drafts we have processed since mid 1999.

(5) It shows the current queue statistics that we send weekly to
the IETF chair, the IAB chair, and the IAD.

Please see the message sent to the rfc-interest list 12 September
2008 (Subject: New queue display — update) for more details.

(end RFC Editor liaison written report)

2.3. IESG Liaison

Russ gave a report on behalf of the IESG liaison (who had just
returned from vacation):

– The IESG gave a response to Todd Glassey’s appeal on September
2nd. As of now Todd has not filed a subsequent appeal to the IAB,
but Russ noted that the time window for such action was still open.

– The IESG has received another appeal from JFC Morfin. The IESG
is in the process of considering that appeal.

– Russ commented on the plans for combining the IAB and IESG
plenary sessions on a single evening at the next IETF, which would
provide for additional WG meeting time. Russ had previously posted
a framework for this “one plenary” experiment and received no
further comments. The plan is to move forward with the new meeting
schedule unless significant concerns are raised in the next few

(no IESG liaison written report was submitted)

2.4. IRTF Chair

Aaron noted that he had published an update to the IRTF Stream
definition, and requested a final review be scheduled during the
upcoming IAB business meeting. The relationship of this draft to
3932bis was discussed, and Russ reported that 3932bis was also
nearly ready for publication. Dave Thaler noted that the IRTF
Stream document formalizes the role of the IRSG, and that IRSG
membership and actions should be made more transparent going
forward. Aaron agreed, and took an action to coordinate with the
IRSG on the matter.

(begin IRTF Chair written report)

Published draft-irtf-rfcs-01.txt; requesting IAB review and
approval for publication as a BCP under RFC4844.

Corresponding with ALTO BoF chairs about P2P RG activities.
Initial interest has been on discussion of an empirical study of
BitTorrent swarms but there is interest in analysis as well. They
have proposed two new chairs for the RG.

ICCRG, DTNRG, and HIPRG have requested meeting time for IETF-73.

(end IRTF Chair written report)

3. ISO/IEC JTC1 SC2 Liaison necessity

Given the low level of activity in recent months, the IAB is
considering whether an ongoing formal liaison relationship with
ISO/IEC JTC1 SC2 is still needed. After a brief discussion, this
agenda item was deferred until the 1 October business meeting.
Pete Resnik and Patrik Faltstrom will be invited to that meeting
to provide additional context on the topic.

4. “Enhanced Cooperation” Feedback

Some months ago ISOC received a request from UN Under Secretary
Sha Zuhkang for feedback on “Enhanced Cooperation” in the
management and oversight of the Internet (and related
technologies). The language of “Enhanced Cooperation” comes from
the Tunis Agenda:

A similar request was made to other organizations in the Internet
community. ISOC responded to the request, as did ICANN. In recent
weeks it was decided that the IAB should also send a response on
behalf of the IETF. This letter would describe the role of the
IETF in standards development, as well as explain the open and
international nature of its technical activities and working

At the IAB meeting Olaf summarized the current situation and
suggested the next step of drafting an outline for an IAB response.
Olaf and Dow took this action and will send the outline to other
IAB members before drafting detailed text. The IAB planned to
coordinate with Bill Graham on the issue. Bill recently drafted
the ISOC response:

A related response from ICANN:

5. RRG Techchat Planning

Lixia briefly described the current work of the IRTF Routing
Research Group, and the IAB made plans for a detailed technical
discussion of the RRG work at their Sept 24 techchat.

6. RFC Editor Discussion

There was a long discussion of the proposed (re)structuring of
the RFC Editor Model. A notable point of the discussion was the
separation of the RFC Editor and the RFC Production House. Olaf
explained that the actual IOAC driven implementation of the model
allowed for these roles to be handled by a single organization if
such an arrangement was part of the winning proposal. Olaf also
noted that there had been fairly little engagement on the proposal
by the community at large, and encouraged further review and
critique. John Klensin and a few other individuals have provided
significant input, some of it off-list. Olaf will revise the
text based on input so far and then post it to the IAB site for
additional public review. A goal was set to drive toward consensus
by early Oct, allowing the RFP process to proceed on schedule.

7. U.N. and Internet Anonymity

The IAB and IESG have recently become aware that the U.N. and
several national agencies may be initiating work through the ITU
SG-17 in the area of IP trace-back. This work raises two distinct
issues of interest to the IETF:

– privacy of Internet communications
– the role of the ITU in IP standards

It was noted that issues of privacy are quite complex and could
involve areas of policy and law that fall outside the focus of the
IETF. However, if the technology to be employed is based on IP,
then the IETF would have a natural role as the owner of the
Internet protocol suite. The group discussed the situation and
decided that additional information was required before determining
whether any specific IAB action was needed. Barry and Kurtis will
work with Scott Bradner and SG-17 on the issue. Scott Bradner is
the current IETF liaison to the ITU-T.


The IAB entered an executive session to discuss IETF NomCom. Dave
Oran, IAB liaison to the NomCom, summarized recent work to clarify
which parts of the candidate questionnaire will be shared with the
IAB during the confirmation step. This pre-work is expected to
prevent the ambiguity that arose during the previous NomCom.

9. AOB [5 min]

9.1. RANS Forum

Olaf noted that he will be participating in the upcoming RANS
meeting on 23-25 September.

On behalf of ISOC and in his role as IAB chair, Olaf will present
a summary of ISOC, the IETF, and the IAB that is similar to the
slides presented at the 2008 OECD.

9.2. John Klensin mail on IDN

There was a brief discussion of draft correspondence with John
Klensin on the topic of Domain Name Internationalization.

10. Conclude Call