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1. Roll-call, agenda-bash, approval of minutes, administrivia

1.1. Agenda

1.2. Attendance


Loa Anderson (IAB Liaison to the IESG)
Gonzalo Camarillo
Stuart Cheshire
Lars Eggert (IESG Liaison to the IAB)
Aaron Falk (IRTF Chair)
Russ Housley (IETF Chair)
Olaf Kolkman (IAB Chair)
Gregory Lebovitz
Barry Leiba
Kurtis Lindqvist
Andy Malis
Danny McPherson
David Oran
Dow Street (IAB Executive Director)


Patrik Faltstrom
Pete Resnick


Sandy Ginoza (RFC Editor Liaison)
Lynn St. Amour (ISOC Liaison)
Dave Thaler
Lixia Zhang

1.3. Administrivia

Dow noted that a new page has been added to the IAB wiki for
tracking small action items. Several items were also added to the
meeting agenda (see AOB).

1.4. Review of Meeting Minutes

The group approved final minutes for the 2008-09-03 IAB business

2. ISO/IEC JTC1 SC2 Liaison

Two related liaison issues were considered. Barry explained that
the WIPO liaison has been basically non-existent, and that Patrik
Faltstrom, the current IETF liaison to WIPO, has had no work to do
here for some time. Barry suggested that the IAB consider
eliminating the formal liaison relationship, noting that it could
always be reinstated at a later date if needed. Patrik explained
that the liaison had been created some time ago as an aftermath of
previous DNS work, back before ICANN existed when the IETF had the
oversight committee. He has been the liaison since Herald was IETF
chair, and there has been zero activity over that time. In fact,
the liaison counterpart on the WIPO side is not currently known.
In light of this, the board agreed to have Patrick take steps to
(1) identify the appropriate WIPO representative and (2) terminate
the liaison relationship in a mutually agreeable manner.

The second liaison issue concerns the relationship with JTC1-SC2.
Pete Resnik is the current IETF liaison for this interface with
ISO, and he recently sent a report summarizing the situation. JTC1
SC2 is ISO’s character set activity, and it too has seen little
activity as of late. Barry observed that this work is related to
the unicode character set work, for which Patrick is currently the
liaison, and suggested that perhaps Patrick could cover this
liaison also given the low level of activity. Olaf asked whether
it was worth retaining this formal liaison arrangement. Most IETF
work has transitioned to unicode formats, but mail still makes use
of ISO character sets. It was decided that Pete should look into
the history of why the JTC1-SC2 liaison was created, confer with
Patrick, and get back to the IAB with a recommendation on whether
to retain or dissolve the SC2 liaison.

3. IRTF Stream Document Approval

Aaron updated the group on the IRTF stream document. This draft
has been around for a while and has had few changes for several
months. There was a recent change to the publication track; it was
moved from a BCP to an Informational document. Aaron requested
that the IAB approve the draft, at which point it will go to the
RFC Editor for publication. Olaf noted that this document goes
along with 3932bis and the Headers and Boilerplates draft, mainly
due to the changes to the kind of IESG statements that are allowed.
The IRTF Stream document could only go into effect once those are
approved. Olaf is working with Leslie Daigle on the H&B draft, and
the 3932bis is in IETF last call.

The IAB approved the IRTF stream document.

4. IAB Plenary Topics Planning

Andy and Loa have created a list of potential topics for future IAB
plenaries, and the topic “MPLS at 12 years” was tentatively
selected for IETF 74. The talk would tie into the protocol success
work. Loa agreed to lead the planning for this session, which will
likely involve several speakers from the community. Other topics
on the list were IP Model Evolution, Network Neutrality, MPLS-TP,
and IP in 4G wireless networks. Dave Thaler will be presenting IP
Model Evolution at the IETF 73 Plenary.

5. RFC Editor Model

Olaf again encouraged IAB members to engage on the RFC Editor Model
discussion, and gave a update on the current state. Recent debate
has focused on the RFC Editorial board’s role. It looks likely that
this will evolve into one or more advisory boards for the
Independent Stream Editor and the RFC Editor functions. He then
requested the IAB to decide on several specific items:

(a) That the model as currently described will serve as the basis
for the implementation by the IAOC.

That would allow the IAOC to start the RFI process, and write the
statements of work, and ensure that the model can be implemented
by 2009.

The model allows for the IAB to appoint a sub-committee that advises
the IAB and IAOC

(b) While the IAOC and the IAB have their specific role. We need to
create some expertise within the IAB and IAOC and if possible draw
expertise from the Editorial board too. One sub-committee to keep
oversight over the selection and make recommendations to IAB and

(c) The IAB will request the IAOC to devise a preferred method for
selecting the Independent Submission Editor and RFC Editor. This
selection method could be through an RFI, or could be through a
less formal approach (e.g., IAB selection). Also, if either
function is supported by a stipend, the IAB will request that the
IAOC establish the monetary level of the stipend. In this manner,
the IAB will have a heads-up as to whether to begin a selection

(d) The new model will be published as an RFC later. Version 00 of
the draft will be used to kick-off the process, with the
that some tweaks will occur during the initial implementation.

– the draft 00 model will be in the ID repository soon
– the text can be tweaked slightly if issues are found during the

Russ expressed his support for this plan, adding that he believes
the model will result in cost savings. He also stated that he felt
having the Independent submission series stand with a parallel
administrative to the other streams was a positive change. Kurtis
also thought this structure would clarify the responsibilities of
the functions for the IAOC. There were no objections from other
IAB members. Olaf will also initiate a consensus call on the RFC
interest list.

6. Action Item Status

6.1. Anycast

(no change in status)

6.2. Infrastructure ENUM Document

(no change in status)

7. Document Status

7.1. Principles of Internet Host Configuration

The document will go to IETF call for comments this week.

7.2. Design Choices When Expanding DNS

Dave Thaler recently requested the IAB to review new suggestions
in the document relating to the use of unknown resource record
types in corporate environments. The review period is still open.

7.3. DNS Synthesis Concerns

(no change in status)

7.4. A survey of Authentication Mechanisms

(no change in status)

7.5. Evolution of the IP Model

(no change in status)

7.6. Design Considerations for Protocol Extensions

Stuart will coordinate with Brian Carpenter on this draft.

(no change in status)

8. AOB

8.1. Experimental RFCs

Loa observed a possible emerging trend, where RFCs are being marked
as ‘Experimental’ when they are not qualified to be standards
track. This is a different use of the track than seen previously,
where experimental RFCs document actual experiments or experimental
technologies. He cited examples on the IESG list of comments like
“this is not well enough written for PS, but I would agree to

Russ asked whether we really want experiments in the experimental
track, or whether the intent of such RFCs was to assess whether the
market wants a particular technology. Stuart added that it is
difficult to determine whether a problem exists without specific
examples. Loa will try and write something down by the next IETF
meeting, at which point the IAB will consider it further.

8.2. Blacklists and Reverse Lookup of DNS Names

The IAB had previously received mail from Claudio Allocchio
regarding the blocking of traffic to Perugia Academic Research
Network based solely on a DNS name that included the string ‘dyn’.
Claudio had previously contacted the blocking provider to correct
the situation, and finding little success, forwarded the message on
to the IAB for comment. Kurtis has drafted a response, and will
send it to the IAB list for review.

8.3. IETF Journal Article

Gregory has written an article for the IETF Journal summarizing the
IETF 72 IPv6 Plenary. He has been coordinating on the draft with
plenary panelists, and solicited comments from the rest of the IAB.

8.4. IAOC Selection Process

Olaf noted that the time is approaching for the IAB to select an
IAOC candidate, and asked for a volunteer to manage this process.
He will work offline to identify said volunteer.

8.5. IPv4/IPv6 Interim Meeting

There was a brief discussion of the upcoming IPv4/IPv6 interim
meeting. Dave Thaler had indicated previously that he would
be attending.

8.6. Host Config Document

Olaf reported that the document “Principles of Internet Host
Configuration” has been updated to draft -07 and is ready for a
community call for comments.

8.7. BOF call

Olaf reminded the group of the upcoming BOF call on 10/3, where the
IESG and IAB will review BOF requests for IETF 73.

9. Conclude Call