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IAB Minutes 2013-11-13

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Minutes of the 2013-11-13 IAB Teleconference (Business Meeting)

1. Roll-call, agenda-bash, administrivia, minutes

1.1. Attendance

  • Bernard Aboba
  • Jari Arkko (IETF Chair)
  • Mary Barnes (IAB Executive Director)
  • Marc Blanchet
  • Ross Callon
  • Lars Eggert (IRTF Chair)
  • Mat Ford (ISOC Liaison)
  • Joel Halpern
  • Russ Housley (IAB Chair)
  • Eliot Lear
  • Barry Leiba (IESG Liaison)
  • Xing Li
  • Cindy Morgan (IAB Executive Assistant)
  • Erik Nordmark
  • Andrew Sullivan
  • Dave Thaler
  • Hannes Tschofenig
  • Alissa Cooper
  • Heather Flanagan (RFC Editor Liaison)
  • Alexey Melnikov (RSOC Chair)

1.2. Administrivia

No new items were added to the agenda, and no administrative matters were discussed.

1.3. Meeting Minutes

The minutes of the 23 October 2013 and the 3 November 2013 business meetings were approved.

2. Potential IAB Tech Chat on RPKI/BGPSEC

The IAB agreed that Bernard Aboba will invite Sharon Goldberg to speak at an IAB Tech Chat on RPKI/BGPSEC on 11 December 2013.

3. Network Coding Research Group

The IAB approved the charter of the IRTF Network Coding Research Group (NWCRG). Lars Eggert will follow up with the Secretariat as appropriate.


4.1. draft-iab-2870bis

Marc Blanchet asked the IAB to review the new revision of draft-iab-2870bis that he circulated by email. This version of the document is the result of an editing session with the RSSAC Chair, and Marc asked that the IAB provide feedback by the end of the week so that he can process it before the ICANN meeting in Buenos Aires.

4.2. RSSAC and IAB relationship

Marc Blanchet reported that RSSAC is working to update their internal procedures. He suggested that rather than documenting the RSSAC/IETF relationship as part of the RSSAC procedures, that a more top-down approach be used, with a separate document to be approved by both parties. The RSSAC Chair agreed that this would be a good way to document the relationship.

After discussion, the IAB noted that this document could take the form of an official MOU, or of an RFC such as RFC 4441 (currently being revised), which documents the relationship between the IETF and the IEEE 802. Marc Blanchet agreed to begin work on a document describing the relationship between the IETF and RSSAC.

5. Internet Hardening

Russ Housley noted that during the IETF 88 Technical Plenary, the hum showed consensus that the IETF considers pervasive surveillance an attack, and the IETF needs to adjust our threat model to consider it when developing standards-track specifications. The IAB brainstormed next steps, and came up with topics for several potential documents, including:

  • A document on “Pervasive Monitoring is an Attack” (already in progress by Stephen Farrell and Hannes Tschofenig
  • A document on cryptographic agility (Bernard Aboba and Russ Housley)
  • A document on opportunistic encryption at different layers of the stack (Steve Kent and Eliot Lear)

The IAB agreed that people should submit -00 versions of their drafts, and then decide whether to adopt them on the IAB Stream.

Eliot Lear noted that the IAB may want to change the structure or work items in the IAB Privacy and Security Programs in order to pick up some of this new work. The board agreed to discuss that on the mailing list and revisit again at an IAB business meeting in early December. The board noted that the tradeoffs between privacy and security can be difficult to manage.

6. Visiting LAC countries adjacent to retreat

Eliot Lear reported that he met with Toral Cowieson from ISOC and Atruro Servin from LACNIC about the IAB doing outreach in Latin America in order to raise awareness about the IETF. ISOC agreed to help with the planning of such an effort should the IAB agree to do it.

Eliot Lear asked IAB member whether they would be willing to travel to other countries in Latin America and do outreach either before or after the IAB Retreat in May 2014. Several board members agreed that doing more outreach in Latin America would be beneficial. Eliot asked IAB members who are specifically interested in participating to contact him directly.

The board also agreed that Eliot Lear would send an email to the IESG, inviting them to join both in the outreach itself, and in the planning efforts with ISOC.

7. Other Business

There was no other business and the meeting was adjourned.