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* 1430:  Low Latency (Jari, Jeff) - 60 mins
* 1430:  Low Latency (Jari, Jeff) - 60 mins
* 1530: Workshops for beginners (round table) - 60 mins
* 1530: Parking Lot - 60 mins


''1630-1645: Beverage Break''
''1630-1645: Beverage Break''

Revision as of 21:46, 10 May 2017

Dates and Location

Dates: 15-17 May 2017

Location: Montreal

Venue: Montreal Marriott Chateau Champlain, 1050 de la Gauchetiere West Montreal Quebec H3B 4C9 Canada

Hotel

Montreal Marriott Chateau Champlain
1050 de la Gauchetiere West
Montreal, Quebec H3B 4C9  Canada

Phone: +1-514-878-9000 or 1-800-200-5909

Reservations

  • Room Rate: $219 CAD (plus applicable taxes at time of check-in; currently 3.5% Montreal lodging tax + 5% Federal Tax for Goods and Services + 9.975% Provincial Sales Tax)
    • On-site parking, fee: $12 CAD hourly, $25 CAD daily
    • Valet parking, fee: $36 CAD daily
  • Reservations Link
  • Reservation Deadline: 1 May 2017

Rate includes complimentary Internet access in guestrooms (5 Mbit/s, up to 6 devices).

All reservations must be accompanied by a first night room deposit or guaranteed with a major credit card.

  • Check-in time: 1600
  • Check-out time: 1200

Cancellation and Early Departure

Individuals may cancel reservations without penalty until 24 hours prior to check-in/arrival date. In the event of a cancellation less than 24 hours prior to the event, the Hotel holds the right to charge one night's stay including tax as a cancellation fee, less the amount of the deposit retained.

In the event that a guest checks out prior to the reserved check-out date, the Hotel will add a $50 CAD early departure fee to that guest's individual account. Guests wishing to avoid an early departure fee should advise the Hotel of any changes, at or before check-in.

Proposed IAB Topics

  • Focussing on architectural guidance (Lee)
 Propose to focus work in the coming year on more architectural guidance docs.
 Goals: Agreement? List of potential documents.
 Estimated time: 15m
  • IETF evolution (Lee)
 Face to face meetings, remote hubs, virtual meetings, interim meetings (adjacent to other meetings). The nature of meetings seems to be evolving. We say "email is our primary tool," but is that still true, and should it be? Is it possible that there are better ways to get our work done, and how would we know? Consider inputs, problem definitions, contributors, processes, issue tracking, outputs, usability, metrics.
 Goals: Determine whether there's anything other than "wait and see" the IAB should do.
 Estimated time: 60m
  • Interdependency with other I* (Lee)
 The IETF is open and transparent because it says so. What's to keep that from changing? How do others know we won't? What would we do if ICANN, IANA, RIRs, or others stopped being so?
 Goals: Decide there's a problem here, and if so, how to start thinking about it.
 Estimated time: 15m
  • Improving how programs work (Ted)
  Programs are designed to be a multiplier of forces for topics the IAB has identified as needing exploration or work.  They need a balance of independence and guidance to be effective, and they need the right people.  Can we improve the structures that find us the right people, guide the programs, and support appropriate independence?
  • Industry certification programs determine how the rubber hits the road. Should the IETF try to influence (some of) these more? If so, how? (Gabriel)
 Some industry fora influence which protocol are shipped and how, by virtue of including them in certification programs. Arguably, if the IETF and IAB worked more directly with (some) of those entities (e.g., Wi-Fi Alliance, OCF, Thread Group, etc.) this could increase our direct influence. As part of our liaison function, have we considered this? It is not likely to scale in general, but are there some fora worth the trouble? Particularly, in areas that may need it more (e.g., IoT security or lack thereof). 
 Goal: Decide if this is something we want to do something about and which are potential fora to work with.
 Time: 15 min
  • Review status of Liaison relationships. Hopefully, have statements from Liaisons on current status of their SDOs to review.
  • W3C relationship (Mark)
 Discussion of the state of the Liaison, related groups such as WHATWG, etc.
  • Possible workshop on Internationalized Domain Names & Resolution Contexts (IDN) (Ted, Suzanne?)
 The MINC proposal is one possible take on this, but there are many more ways to tackle this.  Identifying which one(s), if any, to put effort into is the core goal of this discussion.
  • Low latency (Jari, Jeff)
 Discussion, with the goal of building a better understanding of broader industry trends and their effects on the Internet. Some Internet improvements relate to latency.  For instance, improvements in radio communications or the recent work in IETF transport, security, and web protocols.  There are also potential applications where latency is in an important role. And modern networking systems offer many tools for building low-latency networks. We should discuss the developments from the point of view of the Internet architecture. Is there something notable going on? Are there potential stresses that the strive for low-latency applications may bring? Can the IAB say or do something useful here, or is this merely a case of community working further on the topics that interest them? A to-be-published draft-arkko-arch-low-latency will provide some background on this topic.
  • 5G and potential impacts to IETF work (Jari, Jeff)
 Discussion, with the goal of building a better understanding and map of where we are. Work is ongoing to develop 5G networks, and the first major release of the standards for that is only 14 months away. While much of the effort is on the cellular industry and 3GPP, there are certainly impacts elsewhere, both in terms of standards and open source efforts. What do we know about the impacts on IETF standards? Are there new major uses of Internet standards in 5G that did not exist in previous generations (e.g., EAP)? Are there dependencies to ongoing work that is used in 5G or some of the open source projects that it relies on (e.g., NSH)? Are there requirements for new work? Are there areas of discussion or confusion that we should understand (e.g., slicing and whether it needs anything new from Internet perspective)?
  • Alignment with ISOC (Allison wrt IRTF, Olaf?)
  • RSOC Membership (Robert)
 Continuation of discussion from IETF98
 Goals: Criteria for new recruits. Names of people to recruit. Make any immediate changes we agree to.
 Estimated time: 45m
  • ISE Appointment (Robert)
 Discussion of state/progress of search committee and planning
 Goals:
   Document characteristics and requirements the search committee should be looking for. 
   Build higher confidence in schedule, plan for interviews and selection
 Estimated time: 60m
  • Evolution of the ISE Role (Robert?, Joe?) (Robert suggests Joe should drive)
 Is the current ISE model the right one going forward?
 Goals: 
   Discuss and start documenting how we think the role should change
   Identify what process would need to be followed to implement change  
 Estimated time: 120m
 
  • Relationship with Unicode (Ted, Mark)
 This is currently strained and needs a reset.  The goal here is to identify strategies and timelines for a useful reset
  • IAB expertise description (Robert)
  Goal: Provide Nomcom with an updated description of the IAB positions
  Estimated time: 30m


Please use https://trac.ietf.org/trac/iesg/wiki/RetreatInfo to propose topics for the joint day with the IESG

AGENDA

Break times have now been confirmed to match the joint day. That's lunch from 1300-1430, beverage break from 1630-1645, snack and beverage break at 1800.

Monday 2017-05-15

1030-1300: Morning Session (Huronie A&B)

  • 1030: Welcome and getting organized - 15 mins
  • 1045: Focusing on architectural guidance (Lee) - 45 mins
  • 1130: IAB expertise description (Robert) - 30 mins
  • 1200: Alignment with ISOC (Allison, Olaf) - 30 mins
  • 1230: Review status of liaison relationships (Joe) - 30 mins

1300-1430: Lunch (Restaurant Samuel de Champlain)

1430-1630: Afternoon Session 1 (Huronie A&B)

  • 1430: ISE Appointment (Robert) 45 mins
  • 1515: ISE Evolution (Joe) - 75 mins

1630-1645: Beverage Break

1645-1800: Afternoon Session 2 (Huronie A&B)

  • 1645: RSOC Membership (Robert) - 45 mins
  • 1730: Ename workshop and alternatives (Ted, Suzanne) - 30 mins

1800-1830: Beverage & Snack Break

1830-1930: Afternoon Session 3 (Huronie A&B)

  • 1830: 5G and potential impacts to IETF work (Jari, Jeff) - 60 mins

2000: IAB Dinner at Vargas, 690 René Levesque W, Montreal,QC (10 minute walk from the Marriott)

Tuesday 2017-05-16

1030-1300: Morning Session (Huronie A&B)

  • 1030: Improving how programs work (Ted) - 60 mins
  • 1130: Industry certification programs (Gabriel) - 30 mins
  • 1200: Interdependency with other I* groups (Lee)- 30 mins
  • 1215: Global Commission on Stability of Cyberspace (Olaf)- 30 mins

1300-1430: Lunch (Restaurant Samuel de Champlain)

1430-1630: Afternoon Session 1 (Huronie A&B)

  • 1430: Low Latency (Jari, Jeff) - 60 mins
  • 1530: Parking Lot - 60 mins

1630-1645: Beverage Break

1645-1800: Afternoon Session 2 (Huronie A&B)

  • 1645: Unicode relationship (Ted) - 45 mins
  • 1730: W3C Relationship (Mark) - 30 mins

1800-1830: Beverage & Snack Break

1830-1930: Afternoon Session 3 (Huronie A&B)

  • 1830: IETF Evolution (Lee) - 60 mins
  • Wrap-up: Review of action items, final thoughts

Wednesday 2017-05-17 - JOINT WITH IESG

Please use https://trac.ietf.org/trac/iesg/wiki/RetreatInfo to propose topics for the joint day with the IESG