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** what new processes do we need?
** what new processes do we need?
** long term timezone issues
** long term timezone issues
* impact on workshops
** virtually?
** the only thing we run that isn't in the IESG perview
** unknown if it'll be worthwhile
** 2-hours is too short
** 2-days remotely is impossible
* employer/jobs don't respect conference weeks
** they try to make you do things at the same time
* cost
** question this week about fees charged and why would WGs schedule during a week if they have to pay fees.
* asynchronous meetings are needed
** mailing lists aren't working
*** used to be more effective
** github probably isn't working as well


== Wes's thoughts ==
== Wes's thoughts ==

Revision as of 13:27, 4 June 2020

List pulled from slides

  • covid-19 impacting effectiveness
  • covid-19 effect on internet scaling / use
  • decreasing funding from economic downturn
  • impact of virtual-only work
  • travel restrictions
  • increase in nationalism may lead to less interoperability desire
  • Remote chatham house
  • not the only org going through these things, we have liason relationships that may change
    • we already have a reputation for being slow


  • benefits of remote work?
  • long term changes from this
    • are we ever going back to a 3-conference a year model
    • wg chairs changing the way they work
    • how are we going to build the broader community relationships (necessary for dispute resolution)
      • more about common goals
      • respect comes from shared understanding and common grounds, often over cookies and bars
    • what new processes do we need?
    • long term timezone issues
  • impact on workshops
    • virtually?
    • the only thing we run that isn't in the IESG perview
    • unknown if it'll be worthwhile
    • 2-hours is too short
    • 2-days remotely is impossible
  • employer/jobs don't respect conference weeks
    • they try to make you do things at the same time
  • cost
    • question this week about fees charged and why would WGs schedule during a week if they have to pay fees.
  • asynchronous meetings are needed
    • mailing lists aren't working
      • used to be more effective
    • github probably isn't working as well

Wes's thoughts

  • Impacts on the lost of face-to-face meetings
    • hallway conversations
    • timezone management for wide discussions
    • loss of voices in discussions
  • Work effort slow down
    • look ma, no deadlines!
  • Attendance
  • Registration funding misalignment with expenditures needed?
  • The sudden importance of manycouches


csperkins

  • Rolling teleconferences always disadvantage someone, due to time zones. How to encourage effective asynchronous work?
  • Impact on the funding an organisational model as meetings become less important.
    • Difficult to charge large fees for an online IETF meeting if virtual interims are free, but the meeting fees subsidise secretariat costs
    • Are there alternative funding models that don't devolve to charging a membership fee or relying on corporate largesse?